Twins acquire Santiago

[fan_since79]

11 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Nolasco is kind of a poor man's Dan Haren. Like Haren, he dipped off substantially in his 30s, maintaining excellent peripherals but giving up tons of hits. He is a #5 starter at best.

A #5 starter at best and another pitcher "battling shoulder fatigue", and who knows when (or if) he'll pitch again.

I feel like someone who just got robbed.

 

[Dick B Back]

Has anyone complaining about Hector's value actually watch him pitch for an entire season?

Are we thinking about the same guy?

[eaterfan]

4 minutes ago, Oz27 said:

Sam Miller at Baseball Prospectus ran an exercise valuing every Angel the other day and guessed he was worth an average team's #6 and #12 best prospect. An average team's #6 is probably a guy just outside the top 100, so he predicted that and someone else of use. I thought that undervalued him slightly ... but either way, the return should have been way better than it was.

5 x 30 = 150 I'd imagine no more than a few teams have a 6th best prospect even just outside the top 100. 

[eligrba4ever]

2 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

Has anyone complaining about Hector's value actually watch him pitch for an entire season?

Are we thinking about the same guy?

I think through June, we* were begging anybody to take Hector in return for a stadium-quality mop and bucket.

*We: Collective sense of board rants at the time.

[Oz27]

Just now, eaterfan said:

5 x 30 = 150 I'd imagine no more than a few teams have a 6th best prospect even just outside the top 100. 

By "just outside the top 100" I meant in the 130-150 range (probably should have explained that better). I felt that undervalued him a bit anyway and a top 100 guy - or maybe multiple high upside guys outside it - was a reasonable aim.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Twins fans are happy

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/23418-article-twins-trade-nolasco-meyer-cash-to-angels-for-hector-santiago/

[Make Angels Great Again]

Sounds like their fans hate Nolasco with the fury of a thousand suns.

[Oz27]

4 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

Has anyone complaining about Hector's value actually watch him pitch for an entire season?

Are we thinking about the same guy?

He is consistently a league average pitcher or very close to it. An acquiring team also has the option of moving him to the bullpen, where I think he could be really good. League average starters earning a reasonable salary have significant value though.

[eligrba4ever]

Eppler live with Roger Lodge momentarily.

[jsnpritchett]

14 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Think they're really banking on Meyer being something special. I think this was more about acquiring him. Apparently Eppler has been high on him since ST.

Eppler has done a good job getting guys like that. Just gonna have to wait and see.

He turns 27 in January, and he hasn't pitched in 2 months due to a bum shoulder.  Sure, he's a former 1st round pick, a top 100 prospect, etc.--but something (a combo of command issues, injuries, general ineffectiveness, etc.) has kept him from living up to his hype.  I'd say the window on capitalizing on that is closing pretty soon.

[GrittyVeterans]

Just an awful trade, especially in the market the Angels were selling in. 

I mean we couldn't even get one young player with some upside for a #4 starter? In this market? I don't buy it. 

[Dick B Back]

2 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Twins fans are happy

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/23418-article-twins-trade-nolasco-meyer-cash-to-angels-for-hector-santiago/

We'll see how happy they are the first time it takes him a hundred pitches to get through the 4th.

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, eligrba4ever said:

Eppler live with Roger Lodge momentarily.

As if Roger will ask him anything remotely interesting.  He'll read directly from a prepared list of questions, and never once ask a follow-up question that is related to the actual content that comes from whatever the person being interviewed says.  He is a terrible, terrible interviewer.

[Ray McKigney]

4 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Twins fans are happy

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/23418-article-twins-trade-nolasco-meyer-cash-to-angels-for-hector-santiago/

They'll be happy one out of every four of Santiago's starts.

[Mark68]

8 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

A #5 starter at best and another pitcher "battling shoulder fatigue", and who knows when (or if) he'll pitch again.

I feel like someone who just got robbed.

 

At least he's not suffering from exhaustion.

[HALOS23]

If we want to take a chance on a firmer #1 pick, Angels should pick up Brian Matusz, who was DFA'd by Cubs. Not sure how he would fare as a starter but he was decent pitching in relief for Orioles until this season. Can't be worse than some of the bullpen guys we have now... 

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Sounds like their fans hate Nolasco with the fury of a thousand suns.

the same as AW felt about Santiago about 3 weeks ago

[Oz27]

Just now, HALOS23 said:

If we want to take a chance on a firmer #1 pick, Angels should pick up Brian Matusz, who was DFA'd by Cubs. Not sure how he would fare as a starter but he was decent pitching in relief for Orioles until this season. Can't be worse than some of the bullpen guys we have now... 

He's pretty bad but could eat some innings. Clayton Richard was DFA'd too and would make a lot of sense, I would really like us to claim him.

[eligrba4ever]

Who would you prefer to be today -- Joe Smith or Hector Santiago?

Smith goes to the Cubs and a pennant race.

Hector heads to the bottom of the AL Central.

[DB24]

4 minutes ago, eligrba4ever said:

Eppler live with Roger Lodge momentarily.

Can someone post a summary?

Eppler better have something up his sleeve, because this trade is inexcusable. 

 

[eligrba4ever]

Eppler confirms the key for him is Meyer. A gamble on his upside and starting ability for 2017.

[totdprods]

Total risk. Basically they just gave us a high risk, high upside side arm in return for a back-end starter who could be a little better than what we got. Would have preferred to have gotten something different for Santiago, but there must be something that's encouraging Billy about Meyer. 

Andrew Miller was another tall pitcher with a big arm and a flopped prospect with injury issues. Billy's just playing it risky. 

If he somehow pans out, Shoe, Skaggs, and Meyer is a good trio in the rotation, or maybe he becomes a big pen arm.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, DB24 said:

Can someone post a summary?

Eppler better have something up his sleeve, because this trade is inexcusable. 

 

Yep, here's a quick summary:

 

[fan_since79]

7 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

As if Roger will ask him anything remotely interesting.  He'll read directly from a prepared list of questions, and never once ask a follow-up question that is related to the actual content that comes from whatever the person being interviewed says.  He is a terrible, terrible interviewer.

"Uh...Roger, let me check with Mike, then get back to you on that."

 

 

[beatlesrule]

Says the doctors looked at Meyers shoulder and it was fine.  Says he is physical and throws hard.  If he doesn't pan out as a SP next year, he could be used out of the bullpen.

Regarding Nolasco, says he should be better than what his ERA was in MN.  He likes him.

BARF.