Angels trade for Andrelton Simmons - Aybar, Newcomb, Ellis & $2.5mm to Braves $*#&

[bloodbrother]

Here is my official stance on this deal(just so it's there for when this thread inevitably gets bumped months from now)

 

 

Love getting Simmons. The team now has a hard position to fill locked up for the next 5 years. Simmons defense is far above any other SS in the league. It's that great. Adding him to the infield will help the entire pitching staff out tremendously

 

I just do not like the price...mainly giving up Newcomb. If they were going to deal their only real high-end trade chip fro their farm, I'd wish it would have went in a deal that landed this team an impact bat. That's the only thing I don't like in this

 

If they end up signing somebody like Gordon or Heyward + signing a FA SP....this will start to make a lot more sense.

[Angel Dog and Beer]

Well everyone, it could've been worse....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....we could've received AJ Pierzinski instead of Briceno.

[KevinJ14]

Going to miss Aybar's bunts...

[JoJo26]

Simmons 6'2  195.

 

Aybar 5'4 129

 

That's a difference .

Simmons IQ - 119

FUBAR IQ - 93

 

That's a difference

[kingsosha]

ah yes the bunt for a hit every 5th AB and then throw your dip in Weaver's hat

[Erstad Grit]

I'm in the minority but I like this deal. Simmons is not just a good SS, he is the best SS in mlb of a 25 year span. This guy will save so many runs, he will become a fan favorite very quickly. It sucks trading pitching prospects but we have seen lots of those flame out. Heaney is the real deal and next year we'd need to get a SS anyway. I like it!

[Biergott]

I just realized Simmons isn't really a black dude.

 

This trade sucks.

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[Guest]

Alden Gonzalez ‏@Alden_Gonzalez

Those I've heard from throughout the industry do not like this deal for the Angels. Feel they gave up too much. Time will tell.

 

 

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC 

Baseball America's John Manuel tells me Newcomb will move into No. 1 prospect slot with #Braves

 

[Hollyw00d]

What a horrible ****ing trade

[kingsosha]

What a horrible ****ing trade

hey be nice

[ten ocho recon scout]

Simmons IQ - 119

FUBAR IQ - 93

That's a difference

as for homebrewers numbers on aybar, those are way off. Aybar is like 5-9, and a pretty muscled 190

[Homebrewer]

This just made Cowart and/or Kubitza  a whole lot more doable, defensively, at 3rd base.

Simmons will cover a lot more ground in the infield than Aybar did.

 

(being so short and all)

Edited November 13, 2015 by Homebrewer

[Hollyw00d]

**** this team

[Biergott]

Here is my official stance on this deal(just so it's there for when this thread inevitably gets bumped months from now)

 

 

Love getting Simmons. The team now has a hard position to fill locked up for the next 5 years. Simmons defense is far above any other SS in the league. It's that great. Adding him to the infield will help the entire pitching staff out tremendously

 

I just do not like the price...mainly giving up Newcomb. If they were going to deal their only real high-end trade chip fro their farm, I'd wish it would have went in a deal that landed this team an impact bat. That's the only thing I don't like in this

 

If they end up signing somebody like Gordon or Heyward + signing a FA SP....this will start to make a lot more sense.

 

If this happens, or something close to it, then I will feel less violated about Newcomb, I agree with you about being happy about Simmons, but just fleeced on the cost.

[Richard]

Guess this all hangs on Simba being able to hit or show more at the plate than what he has, because there is no doubting he's going to save a ton of runs and have this place jumping every time he guns someone out from shallow left field.

[ten ocho recon scout]

This just made Cowart and/or Kubitza a whole lot more doable, defensively, at 3rd base.

Simmons will cover a lot more ground in the infield than Aybar did.

Mentioned the same thing earlier. I wonder if this means kubitza (or even freese) is the plan at 3B and we focus all our attention on LF and a bat first 2B?

[Ray McKigney]

Eppler's favorite Black Sabbath album is Sabotage.

[Cdaniel]

@theaceofspaeder: Defensive runs saved in '15

#Angels as a team 8.0

Angels SS Erick Aybar -3.0

Andrelton Simmons 25.0

This is what you call a major upgrade.

I'm starting to like this trade as well. Go all in and sign Heyward, Cueto, Fister and Soria. Flip Santiago to the Pirates for Walker and give Cowart the starting 3B job. Now we have the best defensive team in baseball.

[ten ocho recon scout]

If this happens, or something close to it, then I will feel less violated about Newcomb, I agree with you about being happy about Simmons, but just fleeced on the cost.

i disagree. Heyward and a top FA SP will still come from us spending money...their price tag wont decrease because we traded newcomb for simmons. Meaning we could have kept newcomb and still bought heyward and stud SP

[Bobster7587]

I haven't been this upset about a trade since the Wells fiasco. This seems worse, on the surface. If Eppler doesn't think Newcomb is going to pan out, fine. But we needed to get a bat for him that fills a position of need, since he was our only good trade chip. Terrible.

If Arte opens the wallet and signs a couple bats and an SP (blows past the tax) this will make a little more sense. Right now, it looks really bad.

[Section517]

Value-wise, before hindsight, I think this is the worst trade in the history of the Franchise. 

 

Financially, this looks like Vernon Wells 2.0

[Hollyw00d]

We just got Erick Aybar at his prime age with huge upside. We all love Erick but that last series of the season was a preview of whats to come. Your losing a few SB for more range and then just cut that bat wag, close up the stance slightly, and you've got something. He doesn't walk much yet but he also doesn't strike out. The balls in play will eventually fall Simmons way. As for Sean, he looks like Lester (Before these last few years) but we don't need SP down the road, We've got that contained for now. Especially if we sign Jordan Zimmermann. How do you guys feel about letting Collin Cowgill being a right handed Geraldo Parra type and convincing Dexter to come aboard?

What?

Aybar in his prime was a much better hitter than this turd

[ten ocho recon scout]

@theaceofspaeder: Defensive runs saved in '15

#Angels as a team 8.0

Angels SS Erick Aybar -3.0

Andrelton Simmons 25.0

This is what you call a major upgrade.

I'm starting to like this trade as well. Go all in and sign Heyward, Cueto, Fister and Soria. Flip Santiago to the Pirates for Walker and give Cowart the starting 3B job. Now we have the best defensive team in baseball.

doubt that happens, but, was thinking the same. Sign a stud SP, flip santiago for a bat at 2B, save money with kubitza/coward at 3rd and spwnd big on LF

[Angel Oracle]

Is now the time for the gloss?

 

Ineptler

 

Although if Heyward and a rock solid RIGHTY starter and rock solid setup man are coming aboard, I might change my mind. 

 

Any way to package Santiago and others to get Dee Gordon?

 

Newcomb better not become a Chris Sale clone!

Edited November 13, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[Turd Ferguson]

I wonder if the fact that we have Heaney and Skaggs, 2 young LHP, was a factor in this.