Jim Bowden: Newcomb for Upton?

[TroutField]

I'd do that. Padres wouldn't though they don't get much of a return for Justin. I think they want a top prospect in return for him which I totally understand. Although, I do think shoe would do great in Petco. BJ could be the 4th outfielder/pinch runner.

[Second Base]

Melvin is fine as a 4th OF if you forget about the contract, which is hard to do. 

[Stradling]

But if the contract saves you premiere prospects then you consider it

[Angel Oracle]

Melvin Upton's OPS since 2013 is sub .600, and he's still owed about $39 million through 2017. 

NO THANK YOU, even if no prospects are dealt to acquire him by taking on that money.

No more big money to declining players!

[Angel Oracle]

Melvin is fine as a 4th OF if you forget about the contract, which is hard to do. 

A sub .600 OPS since 2013 though is not even worthy of 4th OF status.

[Second Base]

But if the contract saves you premiere prospects then you consider it

 

Exactly!  Melvin's power, speed and defense makes him an asset in a backup role.  He lost the confidence and structure in place it takes to be an offensive weapon as he was under Maddon, and I wouldn't bet on him rediscovering it.  However, the talent level as a 4th OF would be intriguing to say the least.  IF Upton were willing to sign an extension, I'm almost certainly trade Shoemaker, Joyce and Tropeano to the Padres in that situation. 

[Angel Oracle]

I couldn't under any circumstance trade Shoe AND Trop for Melvin Upton. 

It's not Napoli for Mr. Pop-Up Wells.    But Melvin Upton is already at that same low level that Wells was while playing here.

[tdawg87]

I couldn't under any circumstance trade Shoe AND Trop for Melvin Upton. 

It's not Napoli for Mr. Pop-Up Wells.    But Melvin Upton is already at that same low level that Wells was while playing here.

 

Nobody has suggested that trade, AO.

[Inside Pitch]

Great googly moogly...

 

Melvin Upton has been such an asset that he's managed to amass  a negative 2.0 WAR since 2013 -- a span of over 1,000 plate appearances.   This despite having had the comfort zone of playing with his brother... 

He's got all the talent in the world and the worst work ethic in baseball since Derek Bell proclaimed he was going on operation shutdown.  

 

Anyone that thinks spending 32 mil to have Upton be a backup OFer needs to get their melon checked.

[seenoevil]

Yes!

[Erstad Grit]

So when Pujols got 240 million, Hamilton got 125 million, and CJ got 75 million I was critical but was told to stop because it wasn't our money 

 

but

 

now if the opportunity to get our bat would cost 32 million but we could keep our prospects everyone is concerned? 

 

Hell ya I do that deal and hope Hamilton has a relapse to recoup the funds. 

[Guest]

So when Pujols got 240 million, Hamilton got 125 million, and CJ got 75 million I was critical but was told to stop because it wasn't our money 

 

but

 

now if the opportunity to get our bat would cost 32 million but we could keep our prospects everyone is concerned? 

 

Hell ya I do that deal and hope Hamilton has a relapse to recoup the funds. 

 

Most on this board were against all the aforementioned deals, too. I was actaully neutral to slightly in favor of acquiring CJ, but against Pujols and extremely against Hamilton. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Yeah, i think most of us were happy w the cj deal. Seemed great at the time

Seems like just yesterday a rotation of weave, cj, haren and santana seemed unstoppable....

[Guest]

Yeah, i think most of us were happy w the cj deal. Seemed great at the time

Seems like just yesterday a rotation of weave, cj, haren and santana seemed unstoppable....

It is mind boggling that that 2012 team failed to make the postseason. I expected them to fairly handily clinch the best regular season record without even knowing Trout would be an MVP candidate in a year the eventual winner won a triple crown. It was that season that caused me to turn my disapproval of Scioscia up to 11.  

Edited July 18, 2015 by ScottLux

[ten ocho recon scout]

Yeah, we should have killed it. The offense was slow to wake up but finally did. It was the rotation and especially the bullpen that failed us that year

[Erstad Grit]

Most on this board were against all the aforementioned deals, too. I was actaully neutral to slightly in favor of acquiring CJ, but against Pujols and extremely against Hamilton. 

 

I'd say most were ecstatic about Pujols, most were really happy about CJ, and Hamilton was split.  

[tomsred]

Most on this board were against all the aforementioned deals, too. I was actaully neutral to slightly in favor of acquiring CJ, but against Pujols and extremely against Hamilton. 

 

Something tells me your rendition of this shifts a bit depending on the recent performances of CJ, Pujols and Hamilton, hmmm.  It's okay though, I have a selective memory as well on some issues.

[Second Base]

We all have our takes of correct and incorrect predictions.

I thought GMJ was a sneaky good pick, and believed he'd do every year what he gave us his first year which was .270 30 DB 15 HR and 20 SB, solid. Boy was I wrong. I also believed Trumbo would never be more than a bench bat.

Then again, I was right about Richards, Wilson, Ham and Morales, so that counts.

I guess we'll see on Cron.

The ones I don't claim, Trout and Wells. I think everyone nailed those.

[Splint7438]

I read an article suggesting the Angels go after Jay Bruce. What would be fair to land him? And do you try to get him and Cueto in a mega deal?

[Second Base]

Bruce is having a decent bounce back of a season but he's still nowhere near where he was in terms of production and there's really no explanation why. Personally, I think I'd steer clear of Bruce mostly because the Angels need more of a sure thing at this point.

But if the market proved impossible to navigate, I'd still offer a minimal deal like Rhoades and that's it. I doubt the Angels intend to use whatever prospects they have to chase a SP when that's clearly not a team need.

[YouthofToday]

Pretty remarkable a team actually trusted Bowden with GM responsibilities once.

[yamsi12]

If anyone Id hope the Halos could land Charlie Blackmon.

[AngelsFanSince86]

If anyone Id hope the Halos could land Charlie Blackmon.

 

He's a product of the Coors effect.

[Cdaniel]

Put me in the YC camp.

[yamsi12]

To a point yes, but his 24 stolen bases this year aren't, and he is batting .292 as well. Plus he would be a huge improvement over Robertson, Joyce, etc.