Official: Garza to Brewers

[Stradling]

Jesus Christ. Well we have guys like Santiago and Skaggs instead of guys like Blanton and Hanson. CJ pitched really well last season and at times so did Weaver. But if you want to assume they will suck go right ahead.

[floplag]

i had said something about the Yanks some time ago as possible trade partners... with recent changes it makes even more sense as i dont think they spent half a Bil to go into the season with still question marks on the infield

 

Kendrick for Nova?

[Angel Oracle]

That's a reasonable deal for him all things considered, but I don't mind the Halos passing on it. Much more desirable arms available next winter. No need to tie up a good chunk of their future available money on an arm like him

 

Definitely need to sign another cheap arm though to add depth

Come on down, Capuano! 

 

Arroyo is too HR happy, and Capuano is a better target for facing the acquired lefty hitters throughout the division. 

Edited January 23, 2014 by Angel Oracle

[Cdaniel]

Jesus Christ. Well we have guys like Santiago and Skaggs instead of guys like Blanton and Hanson. CJ pitched really well last season and at times so did Weaver. But if you want to assume they will suck go right ahead.

I think fans are excited but want depth. It's hard to count of the 3 guys throwing 200 inning when they have never done it before.

[Stradling]

I think fans are excited but want depth. It's hard to count of the 3 guys throwing 200 inning when they have never done it before.

Another reason a guy like Arroyo makes sense. In a nut shell it doesn't matter who pitches if Hamilton and Pujols shit the bed. So assuming they won't shit the bed and they put up solid numbers then we need guys to keep us in games. Arroyo, more than likely can do that as a decent cost.

[Guest]

Jesus Christ. Well we have guys like Santiago and Skaggs instead of guys like Blanton and Hanson. CJ pitched really well last season and at times so did Weaver. But if you want to assume they will suck go right ahead.

Because if one of our SP goes down, we'd have to bring up Blanton. Besides, you shouldn't get your hopes up on Santiago/Skaggs (yet)--they're still pretty young

Edited January 23, 2014 by failos

[Stradling]

failos, I am willing to bet, anything you would like to bet, that they sign a veteran arm. They will sign an Arroyo, Malholm, Capuano type for depth. I don't see this team not spending its resources they have.

[bloodbrother]

And what are we gonna get from our current guys?

2012 Weaver or the 2013

2012 CJ or 2013

We are potentially screwed....again

Front Office depending on our Bats again. Oh ya that worked out well last season. What a waste of a season and it's January.

 

 

This team has over $90 million committed to only 4 players by 2015-2016, and all 4 of them will be 33 years old or older. It looks like the FO finally is realizing that they need to spend more wisely and need to rebuild the farm system to have sustained success. What they have done lately isn't working and has only limited them. They have a bloated payroll with not much to show for it. Piling on more bad contracts to offset other bad contracts is not the way to go

 

Addin Garza would have given the rotation a bit more stability but let's not act like he's some difference maker

[Tyler]

No, a guy like Arroyo does not make sense.

[Cdaniel]

Another reason a guy like Arroyo makes sense. In a nut shell it doesn't matter who pitches if Hamilton and Pujols shit the bed. So assuming they won't shit the bed and they put up solid numbers then we need guys to keep us in games. Arroyo, more than likely can do that as a decent cost.

But we already have Blanton under contract. We disagree on the Arroyo and Blanton comparison but to me they are very similar and I'd rather save the money then sign arroyo

[Stradling]

No, a guy like Arroyo does not make sense.

Yes he does. Short term commitment, not a ton of money, and he fills a need. Shane, they can't all be number 1 and 2 starters.

[xboom28x]

Arroyo, Maholm, Capuano... go ahead and name everyone else on the list even if they would cost a draft pick... they aren't going to help this rotation become a playoff rotation.

 

Sorry, Garza or Tanaka were it. The rest won't cut it.

[KevinStockerIsGod]

Wow, not getting Matt Garza shouldn't cause a panic.  We traded Trumbo for 2 young assets, one with positive major league experience.  The other has the potential to be really good.  Garrett Richards is more than capable.  I don't see a huge panic here. Everytime we sign a veteran, people are upset the kids don't play.  Let them play.  Now you have money to make a trade in season, if needed.  

 

Now, if we do add someone else, would Capuano or Maholm be an upgrade?  They are career 1.40+ WHIP guys.  If we went after someone else, I would go Arroyo.  I know Arroyo has the tendency to give up homers, but playing in Cincinnati, that can be expected.  He has sub 4 ERAs the last 4 of 5 years, with a career WHIP of 1.29.  If you can get him for a year or 2, he'd be better IMO then Capuano or Malholm.

[Stradling]

But we already have Blanton under contract. We disagree on the Arroyo and Blanton comparison but to me they are very similar and I'd rather save the money then sign arroyo

CD, look at their last four years and tell me they are similar. 2007 was the last time Blanton had an ERA under 4 and most of those years he was in the NL.

[bloodbrother]

Arroyo, Maholm, Capuano... go ahead and name everyone else on the list even if they would cost a draft pick... they aren't going to help this rotation become a playoff rotation.

 

Sorry, Garza or Tanaka were it. The rest won't cut it.

 

 

You are really overrating Garza

[Guest]

failos, I am willing to bet, anything you would like to bet, that they sign a veteran arm. They will sign an Arroyo, Malholm, Capuano type for depth. I don't see this team not spending its resources they have.

Yeah they definitely will at this point, but I don't think any of those guys would be enough to propel this team into the playoffs.

[Stradling]

Hell, I like Garza and I think most here are not only overrating him, but they are looking at the glass as completely empty. I guess that is what four years of not making the playoffs does to people.

[Stradling]

Yeah they definitely will at this point, but I don't think any of those guys would be enough to propel this team into the playoffs.

Could any of those guys, along with more health, and a better performance from Hamilton and Pujols, keep us in it until the trade deadline?

[Angel Oracle]

I think fans are excited but want depth. It's hard to count of the 3 guys throwing 200 inning when they have never done it before.

Which is why Capuano would be a great utility pitcher acquisition. 

Between Richards, Santiago, Capuano, and Skaggs, they could still end up pitching somewhere around 600 innings. 

 

Big part of all of this is Hamilton at least reverting back to 2012 and Pujols at least reverting back to 2011.    Even that would be a HUGE improvement over their 2013 seasons. 

Edited January 23, 2014 by Angel Oracle

[Guest]

Could any of those guys, along with more health, and a better performance from Hamilton and Pujols, keep us in it until the trade deadline?

Arroyo, if he produces similar numbers as last year. But the other problem with this team is the horrid bullpen--which was only marginally improved this offseason. I'm fairly certain Hamilton will bounce back...not sure about Pujols though. Edited January 23, 2014 by failos

[Tyler]

Yes he does. Short term commitment, not a ton of money, and he fills a need. Shane, they can't all be number 1 and 2 starters.

 

Unless you want to keep your job.

[yvangelfan]

Wow. Sinking feeling re SP AGAIN this season.

 

Please, Jerry...it's your job.  Find an arm that doesn't suck.  

 

Blanton is not acceptable for this team. I can't believe he's still part of any discussion here.

[Stradling]

Well, Dipoto's success is going to fall at the feet of Albert and Josh. Whether or not that is right or not, who knows, but it is what it is.

[bloodbrother]

Trade Aybar or Kendrick for a good prospect arm and then sign like Capuano or Maholm as a stopgap until Skaggs or the prospect arm are ready for a major league call-up

[Stradling]

BB, I would be ok with that as well. Although I would prefer that arm be major league ready. Man I hope Skaggs is ready and able to be what everyone thought he was going into last year.