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I sometimes wonder how managers have avoided the stat/sabermetrics culture that has become as "baseball" as balls and strikes.

Where is WAR for managers?

Scioscia's  playoff-big game record surely has him in the minus category, and that's with the best manager contract in baseball.

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I still like the 16/1 odds I got on the Ducks to win the cup.  

 

Ask yourself this.  Did you think the Angels were legit contenders to win the WS last season when many of the experts thought they were?  Do you think the moves they made this offseason made them better than last seasons team?  If you said yes to both, then put your duckets down on them.  Last year in October 2012, they were 7/1 to win the WS.  

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I sometimes wonder how managers have avoided the stat/sabermetrics culture that has become as "baseball" as balls and strikes.

Where is WAR for managers?i

Scioscia's playoff-big game record surely has him in the minus category, and that's with the best manager contract in baseball.

He has two manager of the year awards and a World Series ring. But the quick stat for managers is Pythagorean wins. Ypu can do the research for how many seasons the Angels played over their Pythag.
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He has two manager of the year awards and a World Series ring. But the quick stat for managers is Pythagorean wins. Ypu can do the research for how many seasons the Angels played over their Pythag.

 

The last four seasons the Angels have been at or below the pantherian standings...  He used to be a good manager, now he just sucks.

 

I love how people on this forum acknowledge that players can carry the same abilities for 20+ years.

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Nando, the odds are probably much worse for any team to realistically win the pennant with the multiple Wild Cards and less so to go all the way. If they were offering Cards odds like they did a few years back at 200:1 then you have to put some cash on that. 20:1 and 9:1 or not good odds at this point considering the strength of the AL West.

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I live in a city where I can legally place a sports bet 24/7, and I have probably placed four or five sports bets in my entire life, none for more than $20. The casinos have pretty much perfected the art of separating bettors from their money (although they were sweating bullets over several 500/1 tickets out there bet before the season on Auburn to win the college football title). FWIW, those odds seem a little short given recent history. I was figuring on at least 20/1 to win the AL and 30/1 or 40/1 to win the World Series.

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The last four seasons the Angels have been at or below the pantherian standings...  He used to be a good manager, now he just sucks.

 

I love how people on this forum acknowledge that players can carry the same abilities for 20+ years.

 

I also don't blame Scioscia for the years Pujols and Hamilton had.

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I'm not a gambling man, but those are pretty respectable odds. You figure that any team that reaches the postseason is at around 8:1 to win the world series. If you give the Angels a 50% chance at winning the division or the play in game they should be about 16:1. If you only want to give them 1/3 chance to reach the postseason they are closer to 24:1. 20:1 splits the difference.

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The last four seasons the Angels have been at or below the pantherian standings...  He used to be a good manager, now he just sucks.

 

I love how people on this forum acknowledge that players can carry the same abilities for 20+ years.

Does anyone in here research s$%t before they post? Last year was the first year since 2003 the Angels did not outperform their Pythagorean expectation. Not to make this an I hate Scioscia or not thread, but if we cut him loose he would last about 10 seconds on the open market...that's how respected he is in the game. Honestly I can't think of anyone available that I would want to replace him, maybe LaRussa, but he has no desire to return to the field, maybe front office.

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