UPDATE: The Colorado Rockies & Angels Trade Talks Cool - Rockies Pursue Justin Morneau

[tdawg87]

Why does anybody seriously want Chatwood? We gave him up for Iannetta. Trading back for him would be idiotic.

[HaloCory22]

Why does anybody seriously want Chatwood? We gave him up for Iannetta. Trading back for him would be idiotic.

Just like the Freese trade.

[ettin]

Actually I was working on a Royals based 'Hot Stove Trade Speculation' article and I found it difficult to match up well with them. However if the Rockies were included it may pan out better in a 3-way. I'll have to dig into it ASAP!

[Chuck]

I'm assuming that's EST.

 

Yes it is. A day late and a dollar short.

 

Actually I think he just reported it because he checked on the rumor going around that was started from here last night and confirmed that the two sides have talked and/or are talking currently. He's speculating on if the Rockies will give up pitching though. We'll see if something gets done, but if not, I expect something else is on the horizon soon.

[Hubs]

Royals are not taking on $12 Million in Salary. Fowler makes a little less than $8M, Kendrick a little more than $9. Davis makes just shy of $5.

 

They'd be clearing only Wade Davis in this scenario. They'd have to give up Billy Butler to make it work financially.

[SigBaby]

If we trade Trumbo and Kendrick, non-tender Hanson, Williams, Nelson, Gutierrez and only have to pick up 4.8M for Chacin, where would that leave us for the luxury cap? 

[Scott34]

Trading Trumbo AND Kendrick leaves us with Green at DH and Lindsey/Romine at 2B, with Lucho playing 1B when Albert needs a day off.  I like it.

[Chuck]

I don't think the Angels are worried about the luxury tax. They may get fined one year, but with Wells coming off the books after 2014 and one or two of Aybar/Kendrick coming off via a trade, they will be fine in year 2015.

 

Although, you do have to make room for Mike Trout's pay increase, so there's that math to figure out.

[Chuck]

Trading Trumbo AND Kendrick leaves us with Green at DH and Lindsey/Romine at 2B, with Lucho playing 1B when Albert needs a day off.  I like it.

 

 

I like none of this Scott, unless we're loaded with arms now and in the future as a result. Even then, I think we're much weaker offensively with Green/Romine/Lucho in the lineup.

[Scott34]

I like none of this Scott, unless we're loaded with arms now and in the future as a result. Even then, I think we're much weaker offensively with Green/Romine/Lucho in the lineup.

 

Right, I'd be banking on those 2 bringing back 2-3 high upside arms.  That's the only way I'd do it.  The offensive hit would be augmented by the increase in runs saved, which is where the team was awful last year.

[gotbeer]

Rockies Talking Trade With Angels, Royals

[Corona]

So are we losing this Tumbo charater? Is he related to Mutumbo?

[CanadianHalo]

Unlike my usual Tuesday afternoon massage, I doubt this possible trade involves a happy ending

[tdawg87]

Rockies Talking Trade With Angels, Royals

If I'm Dipoto I'm asking for nothing less than Chacin. Probably a little steep but the Rockies really don't have anything worth trading for pitching-wise.

[stormngt]

An Angels-Royals-Rockies trade could be interesting

Angels get

Yordano Ventura

Chad Bettis

Aaron Crow

Rockies get

Mark Trumbo

Wade Davis

Royals get

Howie Kendrick

Dexter Fowler

The Rockies want to trade Fowler and supposedly covet Trumbo and Davis. This would also clear some cap space for them. Trumbo would fill a position of need for them and be under control for 1 more year than Fowler. The Rockies do not want to trade pitching but getting Davis makes trading Bettis more palatable.

The Royals would get 2 players they supposedly covet as well to fill their 2 most pressing needs (2B and CF). Trading pitching makes sense for them as they had the best ERA in the AL last year. The problem would be taking on the salaries of Kendrick and Fowler would push their budget. However, trading Davis and Crow(entering arb years) would help that somewhat.

Angels would trade 2 starters and create holes but would fill their pitching needs. Using the money saved on the trade and possibly not offering arb to Williams and/or Hanson they could sign a #3 like Tanaka/Colon/Kuroda and a DH type like Corey Hart to help fill Trumbo's spot. Richards could be #4 while Ventura and Bettis compete for last rotation spot. The loser in spring can be the #6 guy in AAA while preparing to fill Colon/Kurodas spot in 2015 if one of them is signed to a 1 year deal.

C Ianetta/Conger

1B Pujols

2B Green

3B Freese

SS Aybar

OF Trout

OF Hamilton

OF Calhoun

DH Hart/FA

P Weaver

P Wilson

P Tanaka/Kuroda/Colon

P Richards

P Bettis/Ventura

Defense might be an issue but interesting to think about. Anyways, just a bored long time Angelswin stalker, very rare poster here. Hopefully I entertained a little.

 

If we sign Colon I officially give up my allegiance as an Angel fan.  And I have been a die hard fan since 1982.  I have been following through losing seasons that make the last four look like WS championships.  However, Colon is the biggest fraud in baseball.

[beatlesrule]

So are we losing this Tumbo charater? Is he related to Mutumbo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_0fyUYB3cA

[Hubs]

Trumbo for prospects is a better deal than Trumbo for Chacin.

 

If they got pieces back for Trumbo like Butler, Bettis, and Murphy I'd be happy. Include Jepsen and Gutierrez if they want them.

 

Then do both of my hot stove trades of the day and they'd be set. Finally, they could sign Cano. LOL. 

 

1) Trumbo and Jepsen for prospects SP Butler, SP/RP Bettis & C Murphy

2) Kendrick, Tommy Hanson, and Jimenez for SP Miguel Gonzalez and SP Mike Wright

3) Iannetta for Trevor May

4) Corey Hart on a 1 year $4M deal

5) Cut Blanton

6) Non-Tender Gutierrez, Nelson keep Jerome Williams

 

Rotation:

Weaver, Wilson, Richards, Gonzalez, Williams/Wright

 

Bullpen:

Frieri, Smith, Burnett, Bettis, Salas, De La Rosa, Kohn/Williams/Roth/Maronde

 

OF

Trout, Calhoun, Hamilton, Shuck/Cowgill

 

DH

Hart/Cron

 

INF

Pujols, Green, Lindsey, Aybar, Romine, Freese

 

C

Conger, Murphy/Hester

[SigBaby]

Trading Trumbo AND Kendrick leaves us with Green at DH and Lindsey/Romine at 2B, with Lucho playing 1B when Albert needs a day off.  I like it.

 

It would for the moment, but Giovatella could platoon w/ Green at 2nd. Then I would sign Kendrys back to DH and spell Pujols. 

1. Trout CF

2. Calhoun RF

3. Pujols 1b

4. Hamilton LF

5. Morales DH

6. Freese 3b

7. Aybar SS

8. Conger C

9. Giovatella/ Green 2b

 

Not a bad lineup

 

1. Weaver

2. Wilson

3. Chacin

4. Richards

5. Ventura/ minor league FA

Edited November 26, 2013 by SigBaby

[halomatt]

Getting straight prospects could allow the Angels to get the pieces to go out and get Price from Tampa Bay. 

[seenoevil]

Get rid of Kendrick.

 

Angels could use more speed in the line up

[Scott34]

If we sign Colon I officially give up my allegiance as an Angel fan.  And I have been a die hard fan since 1982.  I have been following through losing seasons that make the last four look like WS championships.  However, Colon is the biggest fraud in baseball.

 

What are you talking about?

[ELEVEN]

Exiting thread before the barrage of exclamation points.

[Season Over]

I'm not believing any of this until we get confirmation from Trumbo's Xbox buddy.

[seenoevil]

Jerry needs to swing a 3 team deal.

[mike_hllywa]

I like none of this Scott, unless we're loaded with arms now and in the future as a result. Even then, I think we're much weaker offensively with Green/Romine/Lucho in the lineup.

 

Right, I'd be banking on those 2 bringing back 2-3 high upside arms.  That's the only way I'd do it.  The offensive hit would be augmented by the increase in runs saved, which is where the team was awful last year.

 

@Scott34 and @Chuck

 

And, it is not as if the offense was dire last year. 

 

Offensive rankins via Fangraphs

 

WAR - 7th (God bless Mike Trout)

 

wRC+ tied for third

 

wOBA - fourth

 

SLG% - sixth

 

OBP - tied for fourth

 

Green hit .280/.336/.384 with the Angels last year. There's almost no pop to speak of in his bat, but it's not like he is walking up to the plate and standing backwards while holding the bat by the barrel. 

 

Dinger are sexy. Players who hit dingers are sexy. Therefore, Mark Trumbo is sexy. You know what else he is? Incredibly streaky. I'm floored with his climbing walk-rate, but I cringe at the idea that an 0-4 game can turn into an 2-30 stretch. 

 

If he goes, does it hurt the offense? Yeah, it does. But it's not like the team becomes anemic offensively without him. 

Edited November 26, 2013 by mike_hllywa