Angels discussing trade for Freese

[Hollyw00d]

This makes sense if Lynn or Kelly is involved. Maybe Aybar and Bourjos for Lynn/Kelly and Freese? I'd be happy with that. I'd be happier with Freese and Miller but that isn't happening unless the Angels give up all their trade pieces and prospects in one deal.

not for Kelly, his peripherals are pretty mediocre and he could easily come back to earth and get rocked in the AL.

if we are trading aybar we need to get something substantial in return. Kelly looks like a Vargas clone to me

[tdawg87]

I'd be OK with that. Though the left side of the infield would be hilarious if Green plays short.

[Cdaniel]

Wouldn't Romine play short?

[Cdaniel]

Who is the better get Lynn or Kelly?

[VariousCrap]

Bourjos is coming off of an injury plagued season, he isn't going to bring in much value.

 

 

 

Then I wouldn't trade him.  Too much upside.

[VariousCrap]

I think this evolves into Aybar and Bourjos for Lynn and Freese.

 

 

 

I could see that happening and I wouldn't be upset by it.  To give up Aybar though, I think the Angels may be able to squeeze out one other player.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Who is the better get Lynn or Kelly?

Kelly.

[VariousCrap]

Kelly.

 

 

 

No...Lynn is better.

[tdawg87]

not for Kelly, his peripherals are pretty mediocre and he could easily come back to earth and get rocked in the AL.

if we are trading aybar we need to get something substantial in return. Kelly looks like a Vargas clone to me

He's yet to pitch a full season and he has a ton of upside. He is also under club control until 2019 and won't even be eligible for Arb. until 2016. He was also born in Anaheim so he'd probably love to pitch there.

If you are expecting more for Aybar I think you will be disappointed.

[Tyler]

I don't see Joe Kelly staying in the starting rotation long-term. I'd prefer Lynn out of the two.

[HaloCory22]

Joe Kelly strikes out no one. Wow. Didn't realize his K/9 was so low.

[jshep]

Hey, if the Cardinals want outfield depth, they can have their choice of J.B. Shuck or Colin Cowgill.

 

Is Brad Hawpe still alive? I guess they could have him too, if he is.

[HaloFan85]

Apparently they want outfield depth.

 

This is what scares me most: "Freese has battled lower leg problems in the past, and last season he was limited by a back injury."

 

 

 http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24256860/report-cardinals-angels-talking-david-freese-trade 

[Angel Oracle]

You know Snyder is no longer in the system, right?

Are we talking about the same Snyder (1B Michael)?   Who was only drafted in 2012, and at age 23 in 2013 put up almost similar high-A stats (25 HRs, 63 XBHs, almost 100 rbis, .843 OPS) to what Cron put up in high-A in 2012 at that same age? 

[IEAngelsfan]

Apparently they want outfield depth.

 

This is what scares me most: "Freese has battled lower leg problems in the past, and last season he was limited by a back injury."

 

 

 http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24256860/report-cardinals-angels-talking-david-freese-trade 

I wouldn't be too concerned with the accuracy of this report since they also mentioned the following.

 

"The deal at currently discussed would reportedly not involve Angels shortstop Alberto Callaspo -- a possible St. Louis target this offseason -- and also would not involve any member of the Cardinals' stable of young pitching."

[AngelsLakersFan]

Jim Edmonds, or Troy Glaus would be my picks for most talented players to come up through the system prior to Trout.    

 

Troy Glaus was an amazing talent -- even with the Injuries he managed to put up a very solid career.  

 

Salmon and Erstad all had significantly better careers than Glaus.

[EDinTUSTIN]

That is great and all, but this team needs pitching.  That is what we should be dealing with first and foremost. 

I agree!

[Scott34]

Just curious but why is that?   I understand the statistical arguments against him, I'm just curious what it is you don't like beyond those

 

Joe Kelly reminds me a bit of a young Omar Olivares or rather -- the pitcher Omar Olivares was in the minors and could have been had he not been so stubborn.  OO had ridiculously good sinker - it was such an effective pitch he could have thrown 90% of the time and had success with it..  which he did in the minors.   His problem was that he wanted to throw his other offerings and those tended to get hit with great frequency.   

 

Dude has control issues -- but that 94-96 MPH sinker is pretty impressive.

 

The control issues plus the lack of Ks really scares me.  Not to mention he's super WHIPpy.

 

I don't particularly like his mechanics either, his shoulder and elbow are carrying nearly all of his force.  I've never liked pitchers with that snapping motion a la Richards. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

This is the risk of going the trade route. It's very possible we don't find a good fit out there and if that is the case Jerry might end up having to eat a lot of value to get it done. I seriously hope it's not the difference between Bourjos and Freese that we lose out on because that is a fireable offense.

[stormngt]

As for Freese, the highest the Angels should go to trade for him is Bourjos for Freese.  If they can give up less, even better.  If they could get a relief arm thrown in, I'd do it.

I would trade Bourjos for a starting pitcher.  I wouldn't give him PB for Freese.  

[stormngt]

Freese - acquired in a trade by the Padres for Jimmy Edmonds who the Cards acquired from the Angels.  

 

I don't want to see the Cards trade Freese just yet.   The argument is that Matt Carpenter will move to 3B and Kolten Wong will take over 2B.    Wong has yet to prove he can hit above .200 in the MLB and while he probably will figure it out, if he doesn't, the Cards would be screwed.  

 

Freese struggled big time last year, but has the potential to turn it around.

 

The piece on the Angels that the Cardinals need is Aybar.    But who do the Halos have to play SS in his place?    You guys want Pete Kozma? 

 

The Angels need pitching so badly, that I would go with Romine if it got us a couple of pitchers:  1 major league ready and couple of minor leaguers who could turn into something.

[stormngt]

I'm hearing that it's Freese for Bourjos - straight up. I think that Peter has a lot of value to the Angels. And I hate to be the doom and gloom guy, but who is going to play CF if/when Trout leaves?

 

It does make sense that maybe the Angels should keep PB until we know we have Trout extended long term.

[Inside Pitch]

Joe Kelly strikes out no one. Wow. Didn't realize his K/9 was so low.

 

 

He is a sinker guy.  He induces ground balls at a career 51.4% which ranks in the top ten in MLB.   He's got a HR/9 Rate of 0.78 which would put him in the top 25 in MLB right with guys named Justin Verlander, Gio Gonzalez, Nolasco, David Price and just ahead of guys like Strasberg. Sheilds and Ubaldo Jimenez.

 

His Periphs basically make him an Andrew Cashner, Wade Miley, Jeff Locke, Willy Peralta, clone with upside thanks to a 96 MPH FB and a very sharp albeit inconsistent curve.   

 

That GB rate and low HR/9 rate makes the K rate less of a factor.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Inside Pitch

[stormngt]

Lol, nice reality check that Bourjos wont even land us DAVID FREESE.

If that is the case hold on to PB.  His value will increase through time.  

[Inside Pitch]

Apparently they want outfield depth.

 

This is what scares me most: "Freese has battled lower leg problems in the past, and last season he was limited by a back injury."

 

 

 http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24256860/report-cardinals-angels-talking-david-freese-trade 

 

 

Kelly Gruber..  is that you???