Official 2021-22 Hot Stove League Thread.

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[Lou]

Someone needs to check on mmc.

[jsnpritchett]

 

[BTH]

 

[BTH]

@Jeff Fletcher Does Soriano return to the Angels organization if he clears waivers?

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

then he's totally broken.  

Somebody is going to pay for his Tommy John surgery on a three year deal. 

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

Ok mayyyybe @Dochalo wasn't off on his prediction.

[Docwaukee]

33 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Ok mayyyybe @Dochalo wasn't off on his prediction.

you might want to put that cottage cheese in the microwave. 

[tdawg87]

11 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

you might want to put that cottage cheese in the microwave. 

No I like the cold sensation. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, Trendon said:

@Jeff Fletcher Does Soriano return to the Angels organization if he clears waivers?

No. I think the Pirates get to keep him since he was on the roster all season. 
 

(I actually just replied to some people on Twitter that he becomes a minor league FA but as I think about it more, I don’t think that’s true. I think you only get to be a FA the 2nd time you’re DFA’d.)

[AngelStew43]

Now we can sign Jon Gray without compensation.  I think he'd be much more consistent pitching at a park that isn't a launching pad.  Now, if we can only solve the problem with our infield defense. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, AngelStew43 said:

Now we can sign Jon Gray without compensation.  I think he'd be much more consistent pitching at a park that isn't a launching pad.  Now, if we can only solve the problem with our infield defense. 

Gonna cost a lot more without the draft pick attached, unfortunately.

[BTH]

13 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

No. I think the Pirates get to keep him since he was on the roster all season. 
 

(I actually just replied to some people on Twitter that he becomes a minor league FA but as I think about it more, I don’t think that’s true. I think you only get to be a FA the 2nd time you’re DFA’d.)

But he was on the Pirates injured list all season, not the roster. 

The rules say that: "A Rule 5 Draft pick can be placed on the Major League injured list, but he must be active for a minimum of 90 days to avoid being subject to the aforementioned roster restrictions in the next campaign." https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/rule-5-draft

Soriano was on the IL all year, so shouldn't the "aforementioned roster restrictions" still be in place? If so, those roster restrictions are that "should the player clear waivers, he must be offered back to his previous team for $50,000 and can be outrighted to the Minors only if his original club does not wish to reacquire him."

[Angels 1961]

11 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

Now we can sign Jon Gray without compensation.  I think he'd be much more consistent pitching at a park that isn't a launching pad.  Now, if we can only solve the problem with our infield defense. 

His numbers were better in Colorado than on road

[BTH]

11 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

Now we can sign Jon Gray without compensation.  I think he'd be much more consistent pitching at a park that isn't a launching pad.  Now, if we can only solve the problem with our infield defense. 

I think Jon Gray is gonna be the target of many teams. There will be a ton of teams thinking they can get more out of him, resulting in a bidding war. Also, I think there are smarter teams who'd get more out of him than the Angels would, making him worth less to the Angels than other teams.

[HanfordGuy]

 

[Jeff Fletcher]

2 hours ago, Trendon said:

But he was on the Pirates injured list all season, not the roster. 

The rules say that: "A Rule 5 Draft pick can be placed on the Major League injured list, but he must be active for a minimum of 90 days to avoid being subject to the aforementioned roster restrictions in the next campaign." https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/rule-5-draft

Soriano was on the IL all year, so shouldn't the "aforementioned roster restrictions" still be in place? If so, those roster restrictions are that "should the player clear waivers, he must be offered back to his previous team for $50,000 and can be outrighted to the Minors only if his original club does not wish to reacquire him."

Well maybe the Angels already said they didn’t want him. I will check with Minasian tomorrow when we talk to him at the GM meetings. 

[HanfordGuy]

3 hours ago, Trendon said:

I think Jon Gray is gonna be the target of many teams. There will be a ton of teams thinking they can get more out of him, resulting in a bidding war. Also, I think there are smarter teams who'd get more out of him than the Angels would, making him worth less to the Angels than other teams.

The Yankees were looking at Gray before the trade deadline. Sucks getting into a bidding war with them.

[Tank]

6 hours ago, Trendon said:

 

An Angels pitcher that ended up needing TJS? Well I never . . .

[ThisismineScios]

6 hours ago, AngelStew43 said:

Now we can sign Jon Gray without compensation.  I think he'd be much more consistent pitching at a park that isn't a launching pad.  Now, if we can only solve the problem with our infield defense. 

I believe his road splits were worse than his home splits. Which means he may not just need to get out of Coors. 

[Angel Oracle]

11 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

Considering what Rodon may have gotten on the market, I’m kind of surprised the ChiSox didn’t offer him one.   But I kind of see it, given how little he made this past season.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Considering what Rodon may have gotten on the market, I’m kind of surprised the ChiSox didn’t offer him one.   But I kind of see it, given how little he made this past season.

I think they are genuinely worried his shoulder is mush.

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, ThisismineScios said:

I believe his road splits were worse than his home splits. Which means he may not just need to get out of Coors. 

Meh -- Coors is a weird spot for pitchers.  There have been a bunch of guys that ran reverse spits there in part because they get used to pitching at altitude and then flatten out when they play in more normal environments.