Olney: “Brad Ausmus is in jeopardy of losing his job as manager of the Angels”

[fan_since79]

Gee, I'm questioning my sanity a bit because I'm starting to get nostalgic for Scioscia.

On a serious note, I think they'll give Ausmus one more year at least. As many have said and explained here, this disaster was not his fault. 

[beatlesrule]

Doesn't make much sense for him to be fired the first year into a three-year deal and there's also the fact that Eppler is the one that hired him and is friends with him.

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

There are soooooo many other things that go into evaluating a manager aside from the W/L. Maybe Ausmus isn't liked by the players, maybe he doesn't have the clubhouse, maybe's he's a dick (no, I'm pretty sure he's a dick), maybe he's been a dick to Arte. 

Heck, maybe those of us who have pointed out his in-game managerial decisions were also witnessed by the owner and GM and while Eppler thought he'd be a good fit, maybe after evaluating him a year on the job (Which he wasn't able to do up-close when he was a manager for the Tigers) he realized he's not as good as a manager as he originally thought -- and isn't a good manager long term for this team and the success thereof. 

Bad in-game manager or not and whether he's responsible for the W/L due to all of the injuries, there are a bunch of other things that get noted by upper management that only they know about that leads to these types of decisions. 

Yep maybe. Chuck I get why decisions are made, I grasp leadership and making tough decisions.  As a fan we don’t know if his players dislike him.  As a fan we don’t know how Arte feels about him.   So if he isn’t fired does that mean Arte loves him or the players love him?  No of course not.   You think he sucks and graded him a D, I’d give him a C and an  incomplete.  

[Stradling]

13 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

"Bad season!!!!" so easiest to blame the manager except for the actual reasons why it happened.  It's like when I see "ASSmus is terrible!" or "he's just not good"...how can you tell?  No, seriously, how?  I don't love or hate the guy, I just don't have any way to gauge him as a manager based on what he had to work with to manage.  Then there are people celebrating Maddon potentially coming in....why?  Is he going to magically make the pitching staff stay healthy and pitch better?  Just him?  Because it won't matter who is in the manager's chair if they do not have the players healthy and performing.

Yep. Simple answer to a difficult problem. 

[Jay]

17 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

There are soooooo many other things that go into evaluating a manager aside from the W/L. Maybe Ausmus isn't liked by the players, maybe he doesn't have the clubhouse, maybe's he's a dick (no, I'm pretty sure he's a dick), maybe he's been a dick to Arte. 

or, more importantly, maybe Trout doesn't like him.

 

[T.G.]

I'm not much of an Ausmus fan, but I would see him being let go as a move totally dictated by Arte and that would not be a good thing. 2020 is Eppler's do or die year.  He should have the manager he wants for that season. 

[eligrba]

25 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I don’t care if Ausmus is retained or not but how do you judge the guy based on this season?  If you don’t like the lack of motion plays like hit and run or stolen bases then you hate virtually all of baseball these days.  Same goes with pitching changes.  Our starters were with shitty, young, or both.   So the quick hook was inevitable.   To judge him on this year would be asinine. 

I would assume Asumus' evaluation is based on more than simply the season.  There could be some internal issues with players/coaches?  I have no idea.  Making game decisions and moves are only a portion of his responsibility.  I think he also needs to be a manager of people, egos and change.   I have no idea but I do agree that firing a manager for one season is strange, unless there are other issues that are not able to be resolved. 

[Stradling]

Just now, eligrba said:

I would assume Asumus' evaluation is based on more than simply the season.  There could be some internal issues with players/coaches?  I have no idea.  Making game decisions and moves are only a portion of his responsibility.  I think he also needs to be a manager of people, egos and change.   I have no idea but I do agree that firing a manager for one season is strange, unless there are other issues that are not able to be resolved. 

I agree with all of this. 

[mmc]

Wonder if this might have anything to do with the Skaggs debacle?  As much as I don't like him, it is very surprising to me to see we are already considering getting rid of him.

[m0nkey]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Well, Arte is Eppler’s boss so he can do what he wants. He certainly did when Dipoto was the GM.

Let’s wait and see what happens before I comment too much on this. 

So now Pujols and Hamilton were Arte’s decision?

[Claude]

The teams transition needs more than an apprentice to oversee it. 

[2112]

I think personally I compared him too much to Scioscia, which would be unfair in itself because Mike was a decent manager from the start.

He did seem to be outmanaged by the opponents at times.

I also question his use of Suarez, Barria, and Sandoval.  I just hope they're not ruined for the future.

[DMVol]

14 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

So now Pujols and Hamilton were Arte’s decision?

That is certainly a narrative that is out there....I don't think we know....You would expect Arte to be involved for that kind of money but we'll probably never know how much was Arte and how much was DiPoto....I'll say this: if he wasn't on board, DiPoto didn't do enough to discourage Arte....I know that is easier said than done but sometimes you have to save a boss from himself....knowing how to manage a difficult boss is crucial....not easy but crucial.....

[Claude]

[zenmaster]

You choose the best of what's available when you have a need. Now that better is available, you gotta go for it. It would be stupid to not even consider it. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

45 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

So now Pujols and Hamilton were Arte’s decision?

This is pretty much a fact, as far as I've been able to ascertain.

[Jeff Fletcher]

I think some of you guys should head over to Cubswin today.

[Stradling]

@Jeff Fletcher do you think Ausmus is staying or going?  

[Claude]

1 minute ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

This is pretty much a fact, as far as I've been able to ascertain.

Dipoto was a patsy. 

[mulwin444]

1 minute ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I think some of you guys should head over to Cubswin today.

Would indeed be interesting to see a website that created around Nov 2016...

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

@Jeff Fletcher do you think Ausmus is staying or going?  

Ask me again in 3 hours

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Ask me again in 3 hours

Ok.  In other words you know what’s happening but don’t feel like it’s your place to say, yet. 

[DMVol]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Ok.  In other words you know what’s happening but don’t feel like it’s your place to say.  

[Jay]

6 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Ask me again in 3 hours

I read this as "I don't know"

which is fine.

 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

I read this as "I don't know"

which is fine.

 

I’d assume if he didn’t know he would answer like this, “I don’t know” or “you’ll know when I do”.