I hope the Angels go after Donaldson

[beatlesrule]

at least on a short term deal.  He is a great player when healthy and all indications are that he's not seeking a long term contract.  MLBTR is guessing a 1 year 20 million deal but maybe a 2/30 million dollar contract with the 2nd year being an option would be enough. After becoming a full time player, his "worst" year (not counting last year)was 2017 and he produced a 4.8 WAR. What kind of contract do you think he ultimately gets? I'd hate for the Angels to let another 3rd baseman slip on by. Then again, if Arte really will only spend 30 million max this offseason, Donaldson at 15 million wouldn't leave room to be able to afford many other areas of need.  Wishful thinking I guess.  Too bad Arte doesn't want to surround Trout with the best talent possible.  He could easily afford Donaldson and sure up other areas and still not go over the luxury tax if he wanted to.  Come close sure but he wouldn't go over it. 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/donaljo02.shtml

[greginpsca]

Don’t count on it. Eppler has said all holes will be filled internally, except for pitching.

[ettin]

8 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Don’t count on it. Eppler has said all holes will be filled internally, except for pitching.

That moment in time when you realize Billy Eppler via shell companies owns AllInternal.com.

[Broad Street]

15 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Don’t count on it. Eppler has said all holes will be filled internally, except for pitching.

I must have missed that quote.

[Lou]

29 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

He could easily afford Donaldson and sure up other areas and still not go over the luxury tax if he wanted to.

I want Donaldson, too.

however, how would you suggest doing this? 

[Docwaukee]

He'd be the guy I'd take a chance on of anyone in this FA class.   He could put up Harper or Machado level production at a fraction of the cost.  Yes, he comes with a lot of risk, but no one else we can afford comes with this much potential impact.  

[Second Base]

I feel like Josh Donaldson is going to absolutely erupt in 2019. The talent is still there, but this guy is extremely confident and also just happens to be a good teammate. He hates that he isn't being paid as much money as two players he thinks he's as good as in Bryce Harper and Manny Machado.

Someone is going to sign him on a one or two year "show me" deal and are going to benefit from it. 

I wish the Angels were that team. But Eppler has other plans. 

[Stradling]

If you could get him for 2 years and $30 million you almost have to find a way to work that into the budget.  He has the chance to be a 4 win player for $15 million or so.  I guess one way to make it happen would be to do 2 years, $30 million and have the first year be closer to $10-12 million.  That means the pitching acquisition would be more along the lines of Matt Harvey versus Eovaldi type.  

[Second Base]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If you could get him for 2 years and $30 million you almost have to find a way to work that into the budget.  He has the chance to be a 4 win player for $15 million or so.  I guess one way to make it happen would be to do 2 years, $30 million and have the first year be closer to $10-12 million.  That means the pitching acquisition would be more along the lines of Matt Harvey versus Eovaldi type.  

I think he's going to take a Cespredes type of deal. Probably one year and 20 million with a team option for a second year at 25 million.

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

I want Donaldson, too.

however, how would you suggest doing this? 

stay away from the top of the free agents pitching market or expand payroll a bit or both.  

if Josh is 1/17
Happ 2/20
Buchholz 1/7

It would mean you roll with Herm as your 4th OFer and you likely can't afford even a cheap catcher.  Even if you add Suzuki at 1/4 and you pay Happ 9m in the first year then you're at about +37 mil.  Or you do a 1+1 with 14m in the first year and a 3m buyout.  

[beatlesrule]

He made 23 million last year so I don't think the paycut could be too drastic.  It's only 1 off/injured year so he doesn't have too much to prove. If Arte would spend 60 million, that's easily enough to get Donaldson and some SP and a 2nd baseman and catcher. But yeah, if he's not willing to, Donaldson would only upgrade 1 position with little left to be able to afford to upgrade the rest. Couldn't Fletcher play 2nd if we got Donaldson? That would negate the need to spend money on a FA 2nd baseman.

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, beatlesrule said:

He made 23 million last year so I don't think the paycut could be too drastic.  It's only 1 off/injured year so he doesn't have too much to prove. If Arte would spend 60 million, that's easily enough to get Donaldson and some SP and a 2nd baseman and catcher. But yeah, if he's not willing to, Donaldson would only upgrade 1 position with little left to be able to afford to upgrade the rest.

we could probably end up spending about 40m and improve the team a fair amount.  At that point, I'd be fine with whoever we throw out at 2b.  We could still get some SP upgrades but not from the top of the market and grab a guy like Suzuki.  

[nando714]

St Louie 

book it

[Angelsfirst]

I would overpay on two year deals if I had to for either Donaldson or Murphy. I think either would help this offense tremendously. When healthy, Donaldson still is probably one of the best bats in the game. The problem is many teams will be after him. 

[Docwaukee]

17 minutes ago, nando714 said:

St Louie 

book it

where he'll hit .310 with 37hrs and a .950 ops and win the mvp.  

[Lou]

I don't think there's a chance in hell we can get Happ for 2/20

[Docwaukee]

17 minutes ago, Lou said:

I don't think there's a chance in hell we can get Happ for 2/20

probably as I think he stays a yankee.  but their will be someone like that who's going to take a lesser deal  Like Gio.  Or we can grab Kikuchi for 5/50.  Or someone that other people here would hate in Derek Holland who had a 3.57 era with 169k in 171.1 ip.  

Cast a wide net at the end of free agency.  

 

[UndertheHalo]

Hate. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, greginpsca said:

 all holes will be filled internally

Chika bow wow

[Homebrewer]

Every team needs a good bat flipper.

[GrittyVeterans]

I don't know, man. I am on the fence with him. I would love to see the Angels get younger, but I see what you guys are talking about with the upside to him.

I'm fine either way

[popo85]

5 hours ago, Dochalo said:

where he'll hit .310 with 37hrs and a .950 ops and win the mvp.  

Or back to Oakland where by the ASB he will hit .290 with 18 hrs and then traded to a contender for a top prospect

[UndertheHalo]

Guy is practically guaranteed to come to the Angels with his fuc*ked back and bat like .230 with 15 homers.  This kind of shit is written in the stars for the Angels.  How many times do we need to see it happen ? They have a cheap decent prospect that they can and should give a shot.  Crazy.  

[Taylor]

If the Angels sign him, he'll hit .200 with 15 HR.

If some other team signs him, he'll be top 5 MVP.

[Angel Oracle]

10 hours ago, Dochalo said:

probably as I think he stays a yankee.  but their will be someone like that who's going to take a lesser deal  Like Gio.  Or we can grab Kikuchi for 5/50.  Or someone that other people here would hate in Derek Holland who had a 3.57 era with 169k in 171.1 ip.  

Cast a wide net at the end of free agency.  

 

Leery about Holland, as he struggled the previous years, couldn’t his season be attributed to pitching in very pitching friendly Pac Bell Park and in the NL?