I-I>illary..... run-of-the-mill victory, smackdown or most historic tank job ever? (official 2016 election gameday)

[Thomas]

I think in 6 months those on the left will look back on H. Clinton and go "WTF were we thinking?" She has so many flaws. So no this isn't a mandate on female candidates or policy.  It's simply a reflection on all the flaws they tried to ignore. The same ones many who previously supported Sanders so accurately pointed out. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

50 minutes ago, nando714 said:

More latinos voted for trump than Romney by about 5%. Don't throw us in there.

imo trump woke up the white man. Just like you said.  He won the election in the rust belt. He won over the working class, blue collar, factory workers. 

I think this is exactly it.  They had Michael Moore on NBC last night and he was saying "I've been telling people to watch out for Michigan" as he was afraid Hillary would lose it.  I'm not a fan of Moore and the fact that he's tooting his own horn aside his point was what Trump was saying about jobs and the average worker resonated with middle America.    

[Lhalo]

4 minutes ago, Thomas said:

The same ones many who previously supported Sanders so accurately pointed out. 

What a guy Sanders is. He sells out his supporters and backs his opponent only to lose again in the long run. Such a POS.

[AngelsLakersFan]

8 minutes ago, Thomas said:

I think in 6 months those on the left will look back on H. Clinton and go "WTF were we thinking?" She has so many flaws. So no this isn't a mandate on female candidates or policy.  It's simply a reflection on all the flaws they tried to ignore. The same ones many who previously supported Sanders so accurately pointed out. 

The DNC fucked themselves in their own asses. By letting Hillary run unopposed they let this happen. You can't count on the liberals for anything it seems.

[Blarg]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

seriously though...

how the fuck did they screw this up? Donald Trump??? 

 

This is what arrogance brings, a downfall. She felt she couldn't lose to Trump and missed out entirely on how fed up the country was with the last 30 years of politics. She has been a part of the disillusionment that has permeated the Presidency and Congress that the average American had enough of. The lying, lying, lying and more lying about what they have done and what they claim they didn't do regardless of the record.

They were just being what they are, unable to change their stripes and thinking no one will remember the past if they just keep claiming they were not a party to it. Hillary was deeply entrenched in what many were rejecting with all the pandering then pulling the rug out and being a corporate shill. She represented the failed war policies, Obamacare, illegal immigration, loss of jobs to foreign cheap labor, out of control pharmaceutical and banking greed, everything the common worker and wage earner will never be able to get out from under.  

And all along she tried to make it sound like only smart people were on board with her as she flaunted $15,000 designer clothes on stage. It was just too much royalty and not enough reality. 

That's how they fucked this up.

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

The DNC fucked themselves in their own asses. By letting Hillary run unopposed they let this happen. You can't count on the liberals for anything it seems.

She had an opponent, one they picked to make sure she won. A weak ass aging out socialist that caused problems by being more popular than Clinton and they scrambled to derail his campaign from within. How do you trust your own party that created a false primary that never allowed the people to make a choice? 

[Jay]

I think the Dems were too concerned with preserving Obama's legacy, and refused to admit that people want change. They tried to tell people that everything is fine the way it is.

You could hear it also a minute ago in Obama's speech, that government is better today than it was 8 years ago. He's really worried about his legacy.

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

7 minutes ago, Blarg said:

She had an opponent, one they picked to make sure she won. A weak ass aging out socialist that caused problems by being more popular than Clinton and they scrambled to derail his campaign from within. How do you trust your own party that created a false primary that never allowed the people to make a choice? 

Seriously, and the only reason Sanders ran was because he wasn't really a democrat, which is why the DNC was actively trying to sabotage him. If he had been a real democrat he would've know his place and stood in line. Say what you will about the Republican primary process but there were something like 16 candidates at the beginning. Despite supposedly being the party of the people, the democrats completely threw out democracy to line everyone up behind their good pal Hillary.

[Blarg]

The democratic party became the party of dictatorship.

[gotbeer]

Anyone notice the markets are crashing like predicted with a Trump presidency?  Wait, it's up, WTF.

[gotbeer]

CNN Eluded to this.  But wow.  Remember how everyone was going to come out and vote? 

2008 Obama vs McCain.  69.4 million vs 59.9 million.  Total of 129.3 million people voted

2016 Trump vs Clinton   59.6 million vs 59.3 million.  Total of 118.9 million people voted.

Even with 3-5% to the other parties.  Less people voted for president, not more. 

[Blarg]

Almost the same amount of Republicans but a drop off of 10 million democratic voters. They were not with her.

[Ordos]

40 minutes ago, calscuf said:

America got tired of whiny millennials, protesting homos and BLM idiots who supported criminals over cops.

Wow, dude. Calm down

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Ordos said:

Wow, dude. Calm down

That is just cals being cals.

[Blarg]

I think Cals voted with his Johnson this election.

[Ordos]

Depends if you wanted those that voted Trump to sound like whiny bitches

[Jim]

3 hours ago, Blarg said:

This is what arrogance brings, a downfall. She felt she couldn't lose to Trump and missed out entirely on how fed up the country was with the last 30 years of politics. She has been a part of the disillusionment that has permeated the Presidency and Congress that the average American had enough of. The lying, lying, lying and more lying about what they have done and what they claim they didn't do regardless of the record.

They were just being what they are, unable to change their stripes and thinking no one will remember the past if they just keep claiming they were not a party to it. Hillary was deeply entrenched in what many were rejecting with all the pandering then pulling the rug out and being a corporate shill. She represented the failed war policies, Obamacare, illegal immigration, loss of jobs to foreign cheap labor, out of control pharmaceutical and banking greed, everything the common worker and wage earner will never be able to get out from under.  

And all along she tried to make it sound like only smart people were on board with her as she flaunted $15,000 designer clothes on stage. It was just too much royalty and not enough reality. 

That's how they fucked this up.

 

2 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Seriously, and the only reason Sanders ran was because he wasn't really a democrat, which is why the DNC was actively trying to sabotage him. If he had been a real democrat he would've know his place and stood in line. Say what you will about the Republican primary process but there were something like 16 candidates at the beginning. Despite supposedly being the party of the people, the democrats completely threw out democracy to line everyone up behind their good pal Hillary.

 

2 hours ago, calscuf said:

America got tired of whiny millennials, protesting homos and BLM idiots who supported criminals over cops.

I believe all these reasons (to some extent) are why the blue collar rust belt and many other voters voted the way they did. However, I think a much simpler and more prevalent reason is they only had to look as far as their bank account and feel a little defeated in life, still. Couple that with an insurance premium and deductible much higher than they could afford days before they cast a vote and boom, easy peasy decision. Whether these folks see Trump as an absolute buffoon with an 8th grade vocabulary or not is moot, all they know is that something has to change, and Hillary certainly wasn't going to change things for the better.    

I really do believe it was just that simple of a decision. The rust belt voted with their wallets.     

[Tank]

4 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

The good thing about this Glen is that he has a lot of promises to keep that I can't see him keeping due to either not being able to or not really wanting to.  He could easily be out in 4 years.

and I hope he is.

i think the main thing most people want from trump is for him not to suck. i have no great expectations or hopes with him, but i really hope he doesn't screw things up. work on fixing illegal immigration, tax code reform, create jobs - do those things well and he'll be okay. if he tries to dump obamacare, he better have something in hand to replace or there's going to be plenty of trouble. 

on the whole, i expect he'll very likely be a one-termer (i felt the same about hillary).

[Tank]

i hope this is the final nail or two in hillary's coffin and that we never have to hear about her running for office ever again. she's old, there are questions about her health, and it's time for the clintons to go away into their million-dollar sachs goldman sunset years.

[Lou]

remember when Trump's pussy-grabbing would lose him the election because he had alienated women and they would never vote for him? 

he won the white female vote.

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

remember when Trump's pussy-grabbing would lose him the election because he had alienated women and they would never vote for him? 

he won the white female vote.

 

Which goes to show that me being polite on dates is stupid.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

remember when Trump's pussy-grabbing would lose him the election because he had alienated women and they would never vote for him? 

he won the white female vote.

 

I totally thought that would kill his chances. Trump has resilience unlike anyone I've ever seen in American politics.

[Tank]

3 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Which goes to show that me being polite on dates is stupid.

as long as you plan on running for president someday, fire away!

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 minutes ago, Tank said:

as long as you plan on running for president someday, fire away!

The problem is trumps already got the cooch grabbing vote. Id have to elevate to german pornography status to have a shot.

[Thomas]

13 minutes ago, Paul said:

I totally thought that would kill his chances. Trump has resilience unlike anyone I've ever seen in American politics.

Either candidate would have jumped over ridiculous hurdles to win the office. The fact they faced each other though diminishes the accomplishment. In a normal sane world either of the candidates would have been immediately disqualified from serious consideration after any of several scandals were revealed and they would have apologized for wasting our time.