Jepsen traded to TB for Matt Joyce

[JAHV76]

Another great trade by the Angels.

[laagamer]

Halos could sign another FA reliever...I think they do. I'm just interested to see what other trade they make. Hopefully it's CJ Wilson and Cron for an arm

 

I could live with this.

[ukyah]

I can already hear Angel fans complaining that Scioscia won't bat Joyce against lefties...

 

 

no, it's going to be the exact opposite. we'll be flipping our lids when scioscia keeps putting him in against those lefties, despite his complete lack of ability to hit them.

 

if we use him right, he'll be a valuable asset most days of the week.

[ScottT]

I can already hear Angel fans complaining that Scioscia won't bat Joyce against lefties...

Seriously? Doesn't seem like there's a good comp. last time people complained about a LHB not facing LHP was Calhoun. Look how that turned out.

[KevinStockerIsGod]

Pedro Moura ‏@pedromoura 15s15 seconds ago

Matt Joyce, Angels' new DH, has posted a great 130 wRC+ against RHP over the last 5 seasons, the same mark as Sandoval, Beltran, Chris Davis

[Docwaukee]

How will Jose pronounce Joyce?  I think he's gonna go soft J and say it like 'yoyce'  

[DW711]

As just a baseball fan, I think the Angels got a bit screwed on this trade.

 

Sure, you can say they 'sold high' on Jepsen...but Joyce's hitting numbers have gone down each of the last FOUR years (total and against rhp) and are not in favor of going up being taken out of the AL East which is basically a hitters haven.

 

MAYBE not being on turf will help him out some..but I don't think it was worth it.

[Adam]

Joyce seems like a legit Oakland clean-up hitter

[Angel Oracle]

Yoyce and double Yoyce!

[QuinlansMinion]

As just a baseball fan, I think the Angels got a bit screwed on this trade.

 

Sure, you can say they 'sold high' on Jepsen...but Joyce's hitting numbers have gone down each of the last FOUR years (total and against rhp) and are not in favor of going up being taken out of the AL East which is basically a hitters haven.

 

MAYBE not being on turf will help him out some..but I don't think it was worth it.

He had a .758 OPS against righties last season.  Which is still pretty decent, considering we got him only to face RHP.  But I think playing in a better lineup will lead to better numbers for him.  If he hits anywhere near Trout like some people are saying, that could do wonders for his OBP.

[Adam]

Didn't some fangraphs nerd disprove line-up protection

[DW711]

Joyce seems like a legit Oakland clean-up hitter

 

Ike Davis!

[QuinlansMinion]

Didn't some fangraphs nerd disprove line-up protection

What is there to disprove?  So are you telling me Pujols gets 100+ RBI if Trout isnt hitting in front of him last season?

[Chuck]

Pedro Moura ‏@pedromoura 15s15 seconds ago

Matt Joyce, Angels' new DH, has posted a great 130 wRC+ against RHP over the last 5 seasons, the same mark as Sandoval, Beltran, Chris Davis

 

This! 

[Chuck]

Ike Davis!

 

Ike Davis couldn't hold Joyce's jockstrap.

[NrM]

As just a baseball fan, I think the Angels got a bit screwed on this trade.

 

Sure, you can say they 'sold high' on Jepsen...but Joyce's hitting numbers have gone down each of the last FOUR years (total and against rhp) and are not in favor of going up being taken out of the AL East which is basically a hitters haven.

 

MAYBE not being on turf will help him out some..but I don't think it was worth it.

 

Matt Joyce hasn't really declined.

His OPS+ over the last three years has been

115, 108, 111(2014)

 

His fwar over the last three years has been

1.7, 1.7 and 1.9(2014)

 

Sounds like a great deal getting him for a guy who's only had one good season. The Angels also have a lot of depth this year for relief pitchers.

I'm excited to see what Alvarez and Bedrosian can do with real opportunities next year.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Poozy

[eaterfan]

That's not individual production. Pujols could hit the exact same in back to back seasons and he would get more RBI if he had better teammates. The concept of protection means that individual players get better because the hitters behind them cause pitchers to pitch differently to the first hitter.

[NrM]

What is there to disprove?  So are you telling me Pujols gets 100+ RBI if Trout isnt hitting in front of him last season?

 

RBIs isn't an individual stat. It's a team stat.

 

Just like Pitcher Wins is.

 

 

Edit: Damn Eaterfan beat me to it.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Poozy

[Hollyw00d]

I think that Ike Davis has been on 3 different teams and up and down AAA the past three seasons is telling

[DW711]

Matt Joyce hasn't really declined.

His OPS+ over the last three years has been

115, 108, 111(2014)

 

His fwar over the last three years has been

1.7, 1.7 and 1.9(2014)

 

Sounds like a great deal to getting him for a guy who's only had one good season. The Angels also have a lot of depth this year for relief pitchers.

I'm excited to see what Alvarez and Bedrosian can do with real opportunities next year.

 

So, ops+ and fwar are more reliable than ops and war because I really don't know.

[DW711]

I think that Ike Davis has been on 3 different teams and up and down AAA the past three seasons is telling

 

Probably and I was being sarcastic!

 

I don't expect either of them to be good next year.

[NrM]

So, ops+ and fwar are more reliable than ops and war because I really don't know.

 

because you're being ignorant.

[DW711]

because you're being ignorant.

 

or lazy.

 

I'll go check now.

[QuinlansMinion]

That's not individual production. Pujols could hit the exact same in back to back seasons and he would get more RBI if he had better teammates. The concept of protection means that individual players get better because the hitters behind them cause pitchers to pitch differently to the first hitter.

 

I think playing in better lineups can help a hitter out a lot.  If a pitcher is cruising through a lineup like Tampa Bay he wont worry so much about a guy like Joyce.  But you put him in a better lineup, where the pitcher has to work to get outs and gives up more baserunners, Joyce will have more opportunities to succeed.  Im not sure what stats you could throw at me to disprove something like this.  

[Hollyw00d]

U

Probably and I was being sarcastic!

I don't expect either of them to be good next year.

who knows Davis could break out, his minor league numbers are fantastic and he's only 27

I was an Ike believer until things went south in ny