St. Louis definitely won the Freese/Bourjos trade

[NachoPop]

so bourjos has been much better lately, and a much better defender all year. and miles better on the base paths.

got it.

 

so bourjos has been much better lately, and a much better defender all year. and miles better on the base paths.

got it.

 

Werent you the one just complaining about small sample sizes????

 

Yes Bourjos is awesome in the field and i was sad to see him go.

[Season Over]

Who would have guessed Salas would be biggest difference maker in this trade?

[Hollyw00d]

I'm not even really a PB fan, dude pissed me off with his brittleness and dumb base running at times, but that doesn't mean I thought we should basically give him away like we did.

it was a blunder

[AngelsFanSince86]

To me I see Salas as the real gain from this trade.  For Freese, its not so much the sample size as the trend that is promising:

 

                         AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS

March/April        .193    .250    .277   .527   (92 PA)

May                  .222    .286    .267   .552    (49 PA)

June                 .280    .372    .329   .702    (94 PA)

July                  .315    .406    .556   .963    (64 PA)

 

Despite doing poorly the last couple weeks he is still having a strong month overall.  Its good to see he is trending up in every category.  He is hitting for much more power and is walking more.  While this is promising he still has a long way to go before he will be accepted in my book.  If he keeps it up then great.  In the mean time it is very frustrating when he struggles at the plate simply because his defense is so atrocious.  He has cost us at least 5 runs since the beginning of the second half.  It was bad enough when his range just sucked and now it seems he misses half the balls that come straight to him.  And if its on the line?  Don't count on Freeze to get to it because he is a lazy POS that still doesn't understand the ball will not go foul when its close.

 

Anyways, I think Salas has made this trade worthwhile so far and if Freese continues his trend then the Angels will be the winners of the trade by a large margin.  Bourjos MAY have been a good trade piece for a more valuable player, but its not like other teams are just completely blind to his injury proneness.  Is it not possible Dipoto shopped around and this was the best he could get?  Especially given that it filled 2 needs:  a 3B and a RP.  Salas didn't look so hot at the beginning of the year, but now he's a solid part of our now awesome bullpen.  I've questioned Dipoto a lot since he came to the Angels, but what he has done with the pen is ridiculous.  They have gone from one of the worst to one of the best.  In closing, lets wait and see how this pans out before judging the trade.  Right now its somewhat of a wash.  It filled small needs that each team needed.  This was never a blockbuster deal.

[Lou]

If that's the case,  our needs were players that actually play.

 

The Cards needed guys that don't. 

[QuinlansMinion]

Ill reserve judgement on this trade until the postseason.  If Freese can find some of that postseason magic he once had, and gets some big hits, we win the trade by default.

[Inside Pitch]

Pretty much everything I feared would happen has happened.   Freese has proven to be White Callaspo, minus the glove.  Grichuk upped his value to where he could have been useful as a trade chip to keep someone else.  I was bent and vocal when it happened but I really don't get the point of lingering on it.  There are missed opportunities every single day in life, obsessing over them eventually leads to paralysis.  Say what you will about the JD front office, they are constantly moving forward and IMO they deserve some merit for that.  I think the players buy into Jerry's optimistic upbeat nature. I'd imagine among the Angels who have been here for all of JD's tenure fully believe that if Jerry can make a move to try to make the team better he will and again, that deserves some merit.

 

Anyway I get the frustration, but for me, whatever increased value Grichuk had would have been used at this point.   Yes, it came with a greater cost but at least that trade didn't hinder the Angels efforts to obtain the closer they felt they wanted/needed.

 

 

 

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

We traded someone we didnt need, to fill a spot we needed. Its an even trade.

.....except bourjos is younger and cheaper. And I still say his glove alone makes him valuable.

We have cowgill so its mute. But bourjos even in a bad year is a pretty good 4th outfielder

[Lou]

these people disagree

 

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/discussions/St_Louis_Cardinals/General/Peter_Bourjos/ml-cardinals/111111.1?redirCnt=1&nav=messages&mobile=y

[ten ocho recon scout]

these people disagree

http://www.forums.mlb.com/discussions/St_Louis_Cardinals/General/Peter_Bourjos/ml-cardinals/111111.1?redirCnt=1&nav=messages&mobile=y

Im not gonna bother to read.

The first comment says 'trade him for a can of corn'. I only reapect posters who have the wit to say something like 'trade for a can of pubes'.

Speaking of.... (dammit. Were running low on guys we dislike after ernasty and ibanez left).

[ten ocho recon scout]

(I checked...there was no pubes reference in this thread yet)

[Angel Oracle]

No truth to the rumor that pubes are the next great thing for the grip on the bat

[ten ocho recon scout]

Wait, who says no proof?

[Oz27]

We traded someone we didnt need, to fill a spot we needed. Its an even trade.

Just because somebody has 'third baseman' on their business card it doesn't mean we need them. The core of the grade was giving up a player for an inferior one, never mind the whole giving up a decent prospect thing too.

[Adam]

Freese was awful last night. We should've traded Petey two years ago. Now the league knows he sucks

[arch stanton]

When Freese is hoisting his 2014 WS MVP award this October you'll change your tune.

[Troll Daddy]

I like the trade. Freese is still the best option for third base this season. I would welcome a upgrade for next season if possible.

I'm not a Green fan ... I hope to never see him as a regular starter for the Angels.

[Stradling]

We need an acronym for Troll Daddy's "opinions"

TTH (trying too hard).

[Jay]

Things I learned from this thread:

 

1. Petey sucks

2. Freese sucks

3. You guys stay up too late posting nonsense on the internet

[Lou]

Freese was awful last night. We should've traded Petey two years ago. Now the league knows he sucks

 

this Cards fan agrees

 

"yea he runs like the wind but 2-3 times this season he over runs the base & gets tagged out in clutch times & 2-3 times this season runs to the gap to catch line drives & drops the ball only time he ever gets to 1st base is he hits chopper in the infield & beats it out he needs to stay in AA" 

[xboom28x]

Are people still overvaluing Bourjos? The only thing he has been able to do consistently throughout his career is miss games.

[AngelsFaninGA]

Not sure either team won the trade. It was basically crap for crap. 

[Stradling]

In a perfect situation I would rather have Peter than Freese. On this team, I would rather have Freese. I am sure people would be pumped up with that Calhoun and Peter platoon.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Just because somebody has 'third baseman' on their business card it doesn't mean we need them. The core of the grade was giving up a player for an inferior one, never mind the whole giving up a decent prospect thing too.

Fair enough.

Who again did we have in house to play 3B? Lucho, yeah. His glove is a lot better...his bat a lot worse. And there were no real 3B options on the FA market

[Hollyw00d]

When Freese is hoisting his 2014 WS MVP award this October you'll change your tune.

LOL