Coaching staff... to blame or not to blame

[ten ocho recon scout]

Good post tom

[Taylor]

All I know is, since Obama took office, the Angels have made the playoffs once and missed the playoffs four times.

[tomsred]

How do you know that replacing the manager/coaches would guarantee disaster in the interim? Even if it is a disaster in the interim, if it's the right decision in the long haul, doesn't that make it a good decision? After all, aren't things pretty disastrous now?

 

As for each individual year being counted separately, there is one constant over these last few years of slow starts and being buried early...and I don't think I really need to point out what that constant is.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that things are disastrous now.  Personally, I don't have enough data now to come to any conclusion on this year.  If I were the GM, three games into the season wouldn't influence my decision making much at all.

 

As far as your constant over the past four years that could be some part of the problem, or it might be that the problem is the things that have changed over the past 4-5 years.  Managers are usually the easy target to blame, they are the most visible as far as day to day results. There were two GM's during that period, one already judged to be incompetent and the other, well who knows if his approach will be successful.  Judgemental errors have certainly occurred with both GM's.  Then there is the owner, early on not involved much in player decision making, but in the past four years more so.  How much has that contributed to failure?

 

I'm more of the opinion that the strategy for success is in question here.  I think we need to look at the forest, not the trees.

Edited April 4, 2014 by tomsred

[tdawg87]

Angels playoff appearances with a Republican President: 6

 

Angels playoff appearances with a Democrat President: 3

 

Have at it libs.

[tomsred]

All I know is, since Obama took office, the Angels have made the playoffs once and missed the playoffs four times.

Then it must be Obama's fault.  Good thing we get to vote, LOL.

[bloodbrother]

Sobering Series Stats

 

runs   M 26    A 8

hits    M 34     A 17

BB     M 19     A 6

RISP M 12-30  A 1-19

 

Team ERA  M 2.00  A 8.33

 

 

stats support what we saw on the field. Mariners dominated the series and looked far better than the Halos in everything

[jshep]

Sobering Series Stats

 

runs   M 26    A 8

hits    M 34     A 17

BB     M 19     A 6

RISP M 12-30  A 1-19

 

Team ERA  M 2.00  A 8.33

 

 

Team BA  M .309   A.177

 

Yeah, but other than that, the Angels looked great!

[eligrba]

Angels playoff appearances with a Republican President: 6

 

Angels playoff appearances with a Democrat President: 3

 

Have at it libs.

 

Damn revenue sharing socialist agenda.  Obamacare for the MLB.

 

How was that?

[eligrba]

Good post Tom.

 

Although this year looks much like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, it has a different feeling.  Excuses and creative rationales have focused on everything in the organization over the past few years.  I think the spotlight is appropriately focused on the GM and the Manager.  Before Arte does his Henry VIII imitiation, I would like to see how the GM, Manager and the players respond.  It is still still early for this season, but I would hate to waste another year of Mike Trout.

[JoJo26]

The Halos need this guy to make his chocolate covered pill...to save the Halos...

[nando714]

Signing a couple Vet SP and putting a arm like Santiago in the pen looks very appealing now

[Butcher'd]

Signing a couple Vet SP and putting a arm like Santiago in the pen looks very appealing now

 

I agree. I think Santiago's skillset would play well out of the pen too. Very disappointing that Dipoto couldn't get us a veteran arm IMO. Tim Hudson would have been PERFECT. Hell, I would have even taken a chance on Haren at that price. He killed it in the second half last year.

[Homebrewer]

Capuano is working out of the pen for the chowds.

[tomsred]

Good post Tom.

 

Although this year looks much like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, it has a different feeling.  Excuses and creative rationales have focused on everything in the organization over the past few years.  I think the spotlight is appropriately focused on the GM and the Manager.  Before Arte does his Henry VIII imitiation, I would like to see how the GM, Manager and the players respond.  It is still still early for this season, but I would hate to waste another year of Mike Trout.

 

I really don't think even Arte will shy away from pulling the rug out from under the GM and/or Manager if he thinks it will give the team a boost.  The only reason I say that it would negatively effect the short term is that any time you do that is it resets team strategies.  A new guys or guys aren't going to do the same as DiPoto and/or Scioscia, they will want to adopt something new and fresh.  But that takes a significant amount of time to implement, it won't happen overnight.  In the meantime it usually means the team temporarily loses direction and focus, kind of like a ship that suddenly losses power in all its engines.  Also you are left trying to staff up at a time when most of the best choices are employed and committed elsewhere.

Edited April 4, 2014 by tomsred

[tomsred]

Signing a couple Vet SP and putting a arm like Santiago in the pen looks very appealing now

Yep, that decision not to could bite DiPoto hard.  In his defense, he was trying to preserve the draft choice for the sake of longer term development, and he did.  Could he have gotten some effective vets and kept the draft choice?  We will never know, we weren't privy to those moments in time. 

[xboom28x]

Arroyo couldn't get out of the 5th today.

[Troll Daddy]

The sad thing is that the season just started and all we can talk about is how disappointed we are with management and the players.

This team has worked hard getting ready for this season. Give it some time and enjoy the game ... win or lose.

Angel baseball is back!

Edited April 4, 2014 by Troll Daddy

[ItzTacosYerrp]

What troll daddy said ^^^^

You can complain all you want but nothing you say will make a difference

Just watch and have fun, rooting the damn halos

[Halohappy]

The sad thing is that the season just started and all we can talk about is how disappointed we are with management and the players.

This team has worked hard getting ready for this season. Give it some time and enjoy the game ... win or lose.

Angel baseball is back!

 

What troll daddy said ^^^^

You can complain all you want but nothing you say will make a difference

Just watch and have fun, rooting the damn halos

This and this! I'm rolling with the glass half full, not half empty. We stay healthy its going to be a good year.

[tdawg87]

No one isn't happy that baseball is back, but to insinuate that people should be happy with how the opening series went is absurd.

[xboom28x]

We should be happy that the Angels gave up 26 runs to the M's in 3 home games?

[stormngt]

No on should be happy about a three game sweep. However the "fire whoever" after only three games is silly.

No one isn't happy that baseball is back, but to insinuate that people should be happy with how the opening series went is absurd.

Edited April 4, 2014 by stormngt

[mp170.6]

No on should be happy about a three ga.e sweep. However the "fire whoever" after only three games is silly.

 

 

Did you forget about the failures of the last several years?  I doubt anybody is saying what they say on the basis of 3 games. 

[Halohappy]

Trust me I slept like crap each nite after the first 2 games. (a tad disturbed) I was so tired wednesday by the 6th i called it quits.....slept like a baby. Todays a new day! 

[stormngt]

No I didn't forget about the failures of the last four years.

However the 2010 and 2011 teams were poorly constructed offensively. I blame the post season failures on the GM not on the coaching staff. 2013 was poorly constructed pitching wise. So place the failure were it belongs. The front office.

This year the primary reason why we have looked so bad is because of the bullpen. Just like the last four years...so again that maybe a front office issue..

However even if I am wrong and it is Scioscia fault it is still stupid to fire coaches after only three games. It shows a f r an chose in complete panic mode.

Did you forget about the failures of the last several years? I doubt anybody is saying what they say on the basis of 3 games.