Bourjos traded to Cardinals

[ELEVEN]

I am a minority and I like this trade. so I must be a double minority, but I am okay with that.

So.. 4 minutes in the penalty box?

[Hollyw00d]

Hit em with a PWB. Posting while black

[full circle]

you don't think there was a team out there that was willing to give up pitching prospects for Pete and Randall?

 

Perhaps that combo didn't have enough value to net us a young, club controlled major league starter with upside, but I have to think a AA SP and RP could have been a reasonable return. 

 

It's now obvious what the goal is this offseason ie make the major league club better to address the window of opportunity.  I am just not sure that is the best approach. 

There was never any way the Angels were going to start trading away major league players (Bourjos) for minor league prospects a la small market and rebuilding teams.  Not with a payroll closing in on 200 million dollars.  

[papawealey]

When is the team going to rebuild? Consecutive losing seasons and they act like they are one player away from competing. Acquiring players who have already peaked and mediocre relievers is bad strategy. Trade speaks about what Scioscia, er I mean the team, values in players. Can't develop talent into stars, must trade for aging pieces.

 

That said, maybe that's all Bourjos was worth right now.

[bloodbrother]

Can't really rebuild with how the roster is constructed. Pujols/Hamilton aren't getting any younger and aren't getting any better, so they need to try and compete now

[QuinlansMinion]

Freese sucks though.

[full circle]

Freese sucks though.

He didn't in 2012.  We have to hope Dipoto did his homework and found that Freese back injury was not going to be a longer term problem.  If he didn't, well then he probably shouldn't be the GM anymore.  

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

The ghosts of Christmas past. 

[Tyler]

Another bad look for the same set of posters. lol 

[JarsOfClay]

On 11/22/2013 at 4:04 PM, SoWhat said:

@JeffFletcherOCR: Dipoto said the #Angels major league OFs, plus emergence of Zack Bornstein, made Grichuk expendable.

Wow Dipoto is such an idiot.  He really didn't consider that Hamilton might relapse? As it turns out, Grichuk turned out to be a pretty good player and would have been a huge upgrade in LF after Hamilton went on a coke binge.  

Also what ever happened to Bornstein anyways?  Anyone know?

[ten ocho recon scout]

Lol....not to pile on borenstein, but classic dipoto....

[Stradling]

6 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Lol....not to pile on borenstein, but classic dipoto....

He’s no Daniel Nava.  

I miss Toby. 

[nando714]

Girchuk is nothing more than a career 4th OFer 

[Stradling]

So it was two 4th outfielders for a starting third baseman with decent on base skills, and is poor defensively and the last guy in the pen.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

The best part of this thread was people mad at bourjos for freese, then the "also a pitcher involved", knowing with hindsight who it was gonna be. 

The cliffhanger of "alright, maybe this will make sense" before "its fernando salas" was announced.

Kudos to those in this thread calling dipoto out.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

So it was two 4th outfielders for a starting third baseman with decent on base skills, and is poor defensively and the last guy in the pen.  

Not to mention, freese has been long gone (and wasnt anything special when here). Whereas bourjos and grichuk would have at worst been in house LFs instead of the shit show we had to go out and sign the last few years.

[UndertheHalo]

Freese wasn’t very good, but he was a major league 3b for us.  Bourjous has always been massively over valued on this board.  Dude is trash and at least with us, constantly hurt.  Grichuck would have been good to have for LF, but I feel like this place would hate him if he ended up with the job.  He’s not good either. 

Anyway, the Cardinals definitely extracted more out of the trade then the Angels did.  Just another L for Dipoto.  

Edited December 26, 2017 by UndertheHalo

[UndertheHalo]

1 hour ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Lol....not to pile on borenstein, but classic dipoto....

Lol “the emergence of Zach Borenstein” 

presumably Jerry was wearing the same scouting hat when he discovered MLB ready Roberto Baldoquin.   

[Tank]

2 hours ago, nando714 said:

Girchuk is nothing more than a career 4th OFer 

we could use one of those right now.

[Jay]

Funny how Angels fans become so attached to players they become myopic about their trade value.

 

[ettin]

On 11/22/2013 at 12:25 PM, ettin said:

 

Chuck with all due respect this is why I wanted to trade Trumbo, whose value is high right now, so that we could have Bourjos in CF while Calhoun swapped in and out with Hamilton between DH/RF.

 

I think if this trade holds true (Bourjos/Grichuk for Freese/Salas) it was a losing one for us in many ways. In fact I'd go further and say that the fact they want to keep Trumbo over Bourjos shows a real lack of faith in Hamilton and his power staying consistent (thus the need for Mark's power in the lineup).

 

Not one of my finest comments....

I will say though that the trade really hasn't worked out for either side. The Cardinals are very likely going to trade Grichuk this off-season so both teams extracted marginal value out of the trade.

[Blarg]

All things considered all players were over rated.

Except for Salas.

[Fish Oil]

In all fairness, Grichuk is still young (he will be 26 next season), he put up an outstanding season at 23, and he maintains a positive defensive value. It's not unreasonable to think his best years may still be ahead of him.

[ten ocho recon scout]

40 minutes ago, Fish Oil said:

In all fairness, Grichuk is still young (he will be 26 next season), he put up an outstanding season at 23, and he maintains a positive defensive value. It's not unreasonable to think his best years may still be ahead of him.

Agreed. He may not turn into a superstar (but holy shit did that one year of his hurt), but at least theres still a chance he sticks somewhere. Bourjos too will probably still find a job for the next 2 or 3 years.

Freese is gone, and salas is someone you sign cheap, not trade for.

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Lol “the emergence of Zach Borenstein” 

presumably Jerry was wearing the same scouting hat when he discovered MLB ready Roberto Baldoquin.   

I had a book awhile back, maybe still do, about the Angels, like a history up until Vlad.

"The emergence of zach borenstein" sounds like a chapter if they ever update that book to include the next decade (before we win the world series in 2020).