Tear it down

[Halo in Chicago]

7 hours ago, Stradling said:

It sucks we can’t enjoy this sweep since the Cubs aren’t “a good team”. 

We should enjoy the sweep for sure, but we can also expect to beat crappy teams at home if we are going to make a run. 
 

Love your avatar- I wore out that cassette. 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Halo in Chicago said:

We should enjoy the sweep for sure, but we can also expect to beat crappy teams at home if we are going to make a run. 
 

Love your avatar- I wore out that cassette. 

Yea I’m a big fan of Boingo. As for the sweep, it’s tongue in cheek because we have fans who say shit like, “who cares they aren’t a good team”. Those are also the fans who lose their minds over a loss to a bad team. It’s baseball, you should never expect a sweep. 

[nando714]

Wins are wins 

you can’t win a division or wild card spot in June , but you can certainly lose one 

onto Seattle 

[m0nkey]

8 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

A 4 game sweep is difficult against any major league team.

The 19 20 come from behind wins is a statement metric.

Can’t wait to see them finish off the 4 game sweep today

[Taylor]

10 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Tear down cancellation extended one more day!

The debt ceiling has been raised.

[Angels 1961]

3 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The debt ceiling has been raised.

Did Angels extend Ohtani?

[Vlad27Trout27]

Just like that we're 2.5 game back from the Wc. While the yanks just lost Judge and the Os falling back down to earth.

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

Did Angels extend Ohtani?

Arte is a victim of the current socialist regime and must be protective of his hard earned money.

[gurn67]

So far, they haven't shown the ability to get hot for a couple of weeks, let alone a month. Hopefully, the last 4 games are the start of one, and not just have them go through another bad week and a half and be back at .500. They need to win 4 of the next 7 at a minimum. They need to play at least .500 against the good AL West teams. Right now they're 5-8 against Texas, Seattle, and Houston. That's not going to cut it if they keep doing that all year.

[Swordsman78]

21 minutes ago, gurn67 said:

So far, they haven't shown the ability to get hot for a couple of weeks, let alone a month. Hopefully, the last 4 games are the start of one, and not just have them go through another bad week and a half and be back at .500. They need to win 4 of the next 7 at a minimum. They need to play at least .500 against the good AL West teams. Right now they're 5-8 against Texas, Seattle, and Houston. That's not going to cut it if they keep doing that all year.

If you were more transparent, it would be noted that the Angels had a pretty tough schedule from

May 5 - June 4.   They survived that stretch and are currently 4 games over .500

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

If you were more transparent, it would be noted that the Angels had a pretty tough schedule from

May 5 - June 4.   They survived that stretch and are currently 4 games over .500

And if you weren't so disingenuous you'd admit he's not wrong.  They were four games over .500 on May 4th too.   They haven't been able to go on any extended tear because the SP keeps stumbling over itself -- people can rationalize why all they want but it's just the truth.  Four game win streak followed by a 4 game losing streak and then a week of .500 or so baseball.

This isn't a bad team, but it's a team that hasn't been able to overcome it's biggest flaw early on -- it's SPs shitting the bed.

[Hubs]

The first month the bullpen was really unsettled, leading to a 15-14 month (including March's 1 game).. in April. But the starters had been mostly ok, save Suarez.

Then the starters started seemingly underperforming in May, including Ohtani, after a 5 game win streak to open the month of May. Sandoval gave up 1 in 5 IP, Ohtani gave up 4 in 5 IP, and Canning gave up 5 in 5 IP. That's a 6.00 ERA, but they won three straight over the Cardinals.

On May 5th, they walked off the Texas Rangers, 5-4, Anderson allowed 2 ER (3 R) in 5 IP. That was win #5. The next day, Detmers allowed 3 ER, but Davidson allowed 7 in the 9th. Suarez allowed 7 ER in the following game, and Silseth allowed 6, 3 ER. Starters ERA in that Texas series was 9.64. In 11.2 IP over 3 games, they allowed 12 runs. 

They won the following game against Houston, But Sandoval was tagged for 4 ER in 6.1 IP. Ohtani allowed 3 ER in 7 IP in the following nights loss. Canning was tagged for 5 Runs in just 3.2 ER in the final game loss. Thats a Starting ERA of a better, but still terrible 6.35. (12 runs in 17 IP).

Angels won the next game at 5-4 over the Guardians. Anderson had 3 ER in 6 IP. Detmers had a good start in game 2, 2 ER in 5 IP, but the bullpen gave up 6 ER and they lost the game. Sandoval allowed 3 R, 2 ER in 7.2 IP in the next one, but the Angels unfortunately lost this one as well. 7 ER in 18.2 IP is a really good series, only a 3.37 ERA...but they still went 1-2. 

So far in May, they had gone 6-6. They also split against the Orioles, going 2-2, Ohtani gave up 5 ER in 7 IP, but won the game, then Silesth gave up 4 in 3.1 IP and they lost. They lost again with Canning who gave up 3 ER in 5.1 IP, then won when Anderson gave up 3 in 5 the next day. ERA for that series was 15 ER in 20.2 IP for a 6.68 ERA.

Things started getting better with 3 ER in 5.2 IP for Detmers in the first Twins game, Then Sandoval had 3 ER in 4.2 IP, Then Ohtani had his best start in a while with 1 ER in 6 IP. 7 ER in 16.1 IP is a 3.86 ERA.

Barria Joined the rotation for the next game, 1 ER in 5 IP, following up Ohtani's excellent game with another one against the Red Sox. Canning pitched a 7 IP shutout the next day, then Anderson gave up 1 ER in 6 IP for a stellar series. 2 ER in 18 IP, is a 1.00 ERA.

Riding that high, we thought things were turning around, the Angels had a 13-9 record for the month, but got swept by the middling Marlins at home. 3 ER in Detmers loss in 5 IP, then Ohtani gave up 2 runs, 1 ER in 6 IP, but the bullpen got knocked around in extras. None of the runs given up by Barria in the 10th were earned, because of that BS play where they got the double play but it was overturned. Sandoval had 2 ER in 6 IP in the finale, so the starting pitching wasn't bad, but they still got swept. 6 ER in 17 IP is a 3.17 ERA. Bad luck, and bad run support is the story here.

Canning had 3 ER in 6 IP in the next outing against the White Sox, then Anderson got tagged for 6 ER in 4 IP but Barria was again excellent with 5 IP and 1 ER. 2-1 A 6.00 ERA for the series, but 2 wins. 10 ER in 15 IP.

The final series of the difficult stretch was against Houston, Detmers allowing 4 ER in 5 IP, then Ohtani allowing 5 ER in 6, then Sandoval got tagged for 6 in just 3.1 IP, Canning saved the finale by allowing 1 ER in 6 IP. Still 16 ER in 20.1 is a 7.08 ERA.

They had gone 16-16 in this stretch of games against tough teams, (13-6 if you dont count the Cardinals) with a starters giving up 97 runs in 169.2 IP from the starters is a 5.14 Starters ERA in this stretch. They averaged 5.1 IP per game, which means they averaged 3 runs a game for their starters.

While this was not great, they should be able to win a much greater percentage of games if their offense was coming through with timely hits. They are averaging 4.81 runs per game for the season.   

This is why people think they should be doing better than they are.

[Hubs]

After looking over the tough stretch in regards to starters, I really don't think they've been terrible, the offense just hasn't been timely.

The BP has definitely improved, at least so far in June, but they didn't have a terrible April, it just seemed like it, they actually did better in April than in May, but the May is inflated by the terrible Tucker Davidson game (which I was at) and a few other Blow Ups.

The Bullpen had a 3.13 ERA in April/March but a 6-10 record. They were 8-2 in May but had a 4.24 ERA. And 2-0 so far in June with a 1.88 ERA.

Starters were 9-4, 7-11, and 2-3 so far in June.

I really think the pitching is beginning to click, and I like the Rotation as it's currently constructed. Ohtani perhaps should be followed by Sandoval, then Canning, then Detmers, then Barria, then Anderson... and I have no problem going to just a straight 6 rotation, giving Ohtani the extra rest and a even a day off from hitting either before, on or after his start.

 

 

[stormngt]

8 hours ago, gurn67 said:

So far, they haven't shown the ability to get hot for a couple of weeks, let alone a month. Hopefully, the last 4 games are the start of one, and not just have them go through another bad week and a half and be back at .500. They need to win 4 of the next 7 at a minimum. They need to play at least .500 against the good AL West teams. Right now they're 5-8 against Texas, Seattle, and Houston. That's not going to cut it if they keep doing that all year.

Elimination number 95 with 98 to go.  Panic time.

[Revad]

1 minute ago, stormngt said:

Elimination number 95 with 98 to go.  Panic time.

Some of us are focused on the race to the trade deadline.

[stormngt]

7 minutes ago, Revad said:

Some of us are focused on the race to the trade deadline.

I am sorry!  Are we following the Angels to see who they trade Ohtani for or are we following hoping they make the playoffs?

[Revad]

Just now, stormngt said:

I am sorry!  Are we following the Angels to see who they trade Ohtani for or are we following hoping they make the playoffs?

 Both!  Decisions will be made that impact the rest of the season.  I’m hopping they are in a position to add as opposed to sell, so that gives urgency to each game.  

[stormngt]

15 hours ago, Revad said:

 Both!  Decisions will be made that impact the rest of the season.  I’m hopping they are in a position to add as opposed to sell, so that gives urgency to each game.  

 if we are 2.5 games out in july i am willing to bet we are not selling

Edited June 10, 2023 by stormngt

[T.G.]

Had to read this thread again...

It did not disappoint.