Will the Angels finally get a top of the rotation starter this offseason?

[mmc]

I doubt it but does anyone have any actual confidence in it?

[Angel Oracle]

I’m guessing the following type of off-season, and happy with most of it.

Re-sign Iglesias and Cobb.

Sign Gray, Tepera, Neris, Villar, and Gomes

Trade Barria (out of options) for another veteran reliever.

[HanfordGuy]

[Inside Pitch]

3 hours ago, mmc said:

I doubt it but does anyone have any actual confidence in it?

I'm with you on the doubting.  This doesn't seem like a particularly strong class. 

There are multiple guys at the extreme end of their careers or with concerning medicals. A guy who had a pop up season (Ray), is probably my favorite choice and I could go for an hour why he's a risky proposition.  Stroman, who you can't really fault but you have to wonder how long a guy his size will do well and more importantly he may be the most defense dependent pitcher in the group. Rodon is the injury roulette wheel. The rest are all mid level SPs who could have good seasons but I wouldn't classify as legit front end guys.

Unfortunately Perry has kind of been painted into a corner.  I'm just hoping whatever they do they don't take away to try to add or put them back into payroll purgatory.

[Taylor]

Define "top" and "rotation."

 

And "Angels."

[WicketMaiden]

34 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Define "top" and "rotation."

 

And "Angels."

The Angels' last three opening day starters:

2021 Bundy

2020 Heaney

2019 Cahill

I really hope Perry has a different vision for "Top", "Rotation", and "Angels" going forward.

[Revad]

Cobb doesn’t count, I guess (Ha,ha).  We need at least a #2 if not a #1 but I’m not optimistic.  The older TOR guys are all a risk, on the other hand short term deals are attractive.  Maybe start with a trade for a SS or catcher or pitching, then see how things flow and fit.  I could see more trades than signings until the CBA gets done.

[Dtwncbad]

11 minutes ago, Revad said:

Cobb doesn’t count, I guess (Ha,ha).  We need at least a #2 if not a #1 but I’m not optimistic.  The older TOR guys are all a risk, on the other hand short term deals are attractive.  Maybe start with a trade for a SS or catcher or pitching, then see how things flow and fit.  I could see more trades than signings until the CBA gets done.

The interest in a Cobb sort of confuses me.  It’s not that I think he is terrible.  But it seems the specific project is to get a couple of starters to be #1 and #2 in the rotation.

Cobb isn’t the answer to that plan.

If the Angels can land legitimate answers to that plan, and somehow find themselves kind of lean in rotation depth (because they had to trade some arms to get the #1 and #2) then sure take a look at bringing back Cobb.

But in this situation where the Angels clearly need high end starters, I am instantly puzzled by people immediately bringing up the idea of re-signing Cobb.

[eligrba]

Yes. Unfortunately the pitcher was top of the rotation 5 years ago. 

[Revad]

Maybe it’s old school to think you need a veteran leader on a staff, but as a person that responds better to a credible peer better than to authority I have interest in Cobb.  He knows the young pitchers from last year and could be a solid #3 and the cost won’t be extreme.  Trade for a potential TOR guy, sign Cobb or someone similar, then have money for the bullpen and other holes.

Edited November 9, 2021 by Revad

[Stradling]

Cobb made 18 starts, of course he had some clunkers but he also had 5 starts where he gave up zero earned runs, 5 more where he only gave up 1 earned runs.  So he pitched well. Not an Ace but someone who elevates a rotation. 

[Junkballer]

They'll be in on a couple TORS but will drop out when the term goes too long to justify ("we tried!").  They will sign Gray or Desclafani, and, either Cobb or trade for another mid-rotation guy.

[angelsnationtalk]

We all wanted to say "yes" but I think everyone on AW knows the routine. 

Watch us get 2 aces hahaha

[Erstad Grit]

I think signing 2 of the second teir guys wouldn't be considered aces, but most here would be happy with that.  Trading for Castillo would be considered an ace. Ray and some of the older guys COULD pitch like an ace this year.  I have a weird feeling Kershaw could end up here. 

Max is the only FA I'd label ace and even he has some risk.  Last year Cole was an ace with almost no downside and look what he got. 

 

[Torridd]

8 hours ago, mmc said:

I doubt it but does anyone have any actual confidence in it?

I voted no, but I believe we'll get at least two capable arms. When you couple them with Ohtani, I think we'll be a contending team as long as Trout/Rendon bounce back.

[Tank]

i wouldn't say my confidence is strong, but i'm always hopeful.

[Redondo]

18 minutes ago, Tank said:

i wouldn't say my confidence is strong, but i'm always hopeful.

Always hoping for the best

It has to work one of these year, right?

[BTH]

Eh. Idk. The odds likely say no, as there are multiple factors in landing a top of the rotation starter.

1. They have to be willing to spend the money on a top of the rotation starter.

2. Said top of the rotation starter needs to have a desire to join the team.

3. They have to out-bid other teams for said top of the rotation starter.

[jordan]

The Angels don’t have a choice. They have to add a true #1.  Either by trade or free agency, I see them adding someone big to lead this rotation.  

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

Trade for Castillo or a Marlins arm (Alacantara, Rogers or Lugo) and sign one of either (Jon Gray, Marcus Stroman, Thor, Cobb or DeSclafani) and/or (Matz or Wood) which would allow you the ability to trade a younger lefty (Sandavol or Suarez) which we have plenty of kid left handed starter arms.

I think we will stay away from giving up draft pick Compensation.

[Kendo36]

Angels have to take a gamble in on kershaw, scherzer  or verlander. All will be short term contracts. You have to sign one. 

[Angels 1961]

17 hours ago, Kendo36 said:

Angels have to take a gamble in on kershaw, scherzer  or verlander. All will be short term contracts. You have to sign one. 

Verlander I like 2 maybe 3 years. Trade for another maybe Sonny Gray and sign Raisel to be back as closer. 

[daygloman]

I doubt it?

There's really nobody out there on the market, who's young, outstanding, and established. 

I hope the Angels don't just go out and "get someone", for the sake of "getting someone".

Or we'll just ending up having a staff like last season. 

Lots and LOTS of months to wait until we need to really worry about it anyway...............

Go Halos!

[beatlesrule]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/will-the-angels-finally-land-a-marquee-starter-this-offseason.html

Guaranteed Contracts

• Mike Trout, CF: $334.1MM through 2030
• Anthony Rendon, 3B: $190.9MM through 2026
• Justin Upton, LF: $28MM through 2022
• David Fletcher, 2B: $24MM through 2025 (contains buyout of 2026 club option)
• Shohei Ohtani, RHP/DH: $5.5MM through 2022 (remains under team control for 2023 via arbitration)

Total 2022 commitments: $111.24MM

Projected Salaries for Arbitration-Eligible Players (projections via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz)

• Max Stassi — $2.7MM
• Mike Mayers — $2.2MM
• Phil Gosselin — $1.5MM
• Junior Guerra — $1.3MM

Non-tender candidates: Gosselin, Guerra

Free Agents

• Alex Cobb, Raisel Iglesias, Dylan Bundy, Steve Cishek, Juan Lagares, Kurt Suzuki, Dexter Fowler, Scott Schebler, Ben Rowen, AJ Ramos, Franklin Barreto

[Angels 1961]

Just now, beatlesrule said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/will-the-angels-finally-land-a-marquee-starter-this-offseason.html

Sign Verlander 2 years 46 mill, Bring back Raisel 4 years 60 mill trade for another starter Pablo Lopez, Sonny Gray or sign Matz 3 years 36 mill.