Joe Maddon

[Second Base]

Maddon is a good manager that pisses everyone off with his lineups and personnel decisions, just like Scioscia did. 

The biggest job a manager has is in the clubhouse, and there isn't anyone better than him in there. Ohtani loves him and had thrived under him, Walsh specifically said he made the difference in his developmental leap as a player. Rendon, FWIW, days he truly buys what Maddon is selling. Behind the scenes, I'm told he and Fletcher and Upton are all on the same wavelength. Haven't really heard anything about Trout but I assume he's good with Maddon. 

The only people that don't like Maddon are super fans that hate every manager. 

[eligrba]

[tdawg87]

23 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Maddon is a good manager that pisses everyone off with his lineups and personnel decisions, just like Scioscia did. 

The biggest job a manager has is in the clubhouse, and there isn't anyone better than him in there. Ohtani loves him and had thrived under him, Walsh specifically said he made the difference in his developmental leap as a player. Rendon, FWIW, days he truly buys what Maddon is selling. Behind the scenes, I'm told he and Fletcher and Upton are all on the same wavelength. Haven't really heard anything about Trout but I assume he's good with Maddon. 

The only people that don't like Maddon are super fans that hate every manager. 

I liked Scioscia.

Also @Dochalo and @Inside Pitch are definitely "super fans".

[Second Base]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

I liked Scioscia.

Also @Dochalo and @Inside Pitch are definitely "super fans".

You liked Scioscia because he's all you knew as an Angels fan. 

Scioscia was a good tactician. He was old school in the clubhouse and that worked for some guys who were on his good side, and definitely rubbed several the wrong way. But that's the kind of behavior you get away with when you're winning  as much as he did in 2002-2009. 

But to pretend that Scioscia would've somehow guided this 2021 ball club to a better record than Joe Maddon so far is ridiculous. 

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, Second Base said:

You liked Scioscia because he's all you knew as an Angels fan.

Scioscia was a good tactician. He was old school in the clubhouse and that worked for some guys who were on his good side, and definitely rubbed several the wrong way. But that's the kind of behavior you get away with when you're winning  as much as he did in 2002-2009. 

But to pretend that Scioscia would've somehow guided this 2021 ball club to a better record than Joe Maddon so far is ridiculous. 

You're arguing against things that aren't even being said.

Also wtf does this mean:

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You liked Scioscia because he's all you knew as an Angels fan.

 

[Second Base]

6 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You're arguing against things that aren't even being said.

Also wtf does this mean:

 

It means you had nothing to compare him to. 

[JustATroutFan]

41 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Maddon is a good manager that pisses everyone off with his lineups and personnel decisions, just like Scioscia did. 

The biggest job a manager has is in the clubhouse, and there isn't anyone better than him in there. Ohtani loves him and had thrived under him, Walsh specifically said he made the difference in his developmental leap as a player. Rendon, FWIW, days he truly buys what Maddon is selling. Behind the scenes, I'm told he and Fletcher and Upton are all on the same wavelength. Haven't really heard anything about Trout but I assume he's good with Maddon. 

The only people that don't like Maddon are super fans that hate every manager. 

Maddon does a really good job at helping his players succeed. Like I already stated, he put Rizzo and Upton in the leadoff spot and both guys started thriving again once he put them there. Not to mention the shifts that he helped changed baseball when he was with the Rays. Those Rays pitchers benefited way more from the shifts than not. Managers started following his lead and now, shifts are common in the game. He might not be the best at managing a bullpen but with this bullpen, there's not really any good options for him to go to. Put any managers in his place and they would still look bad with this bullpen. 

[tdawg87]

 

7 minutes ago, Second Base said:

It means you had nothing to compare him to. 

I knew Terry Collins. I was young but I knew about him. My dad hated him and wasn't shy about telling me why. 

Not sure why that matters. You said:

50 minutes ago, Second Base said:

The only people that don't like Maddon are super fans that hate every manager. 

I showed you a manager I liked. 

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Maddon does a really good job at helping his players succeed. 

How do you explain all of our players that suck?

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Second Base said:

It means you had nothing to compare him to. 

Do you honestly think that nobody here was a fan of the team before Scioscia was hired?

[Second Base]

12 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

 

I knew Terry Collins. I was young but I knew about him. My dad hated him and wasn't shy about telling me why. 

Not sure why that matters. You said:

I showed you a manager I liked. 

You're a super fan, huh?

[Second Base]

11 minutes ago, Lou said:

Do you honestly think that nobody here was a fan of the team before Scioscia was hired?

No, just TD. There are plenty of old timers here that predate the ESPN and MLB boards. 

[Revad]

12 minutes ago, Lou said:

Do you honestly think that nobody here was a fan of the team before Scioscia was hired?

No

[tdawg87]

7 minutes ago, Lou said:

Do you honestly think that nobody here was a fan of the team before Scioscia was hired?

I mean I was 10-12 during the Collins years. I was a fan but I wasn't really paying attention to what the manager was doing, especially because I lived in NH and only got to watch them when they played Boston (yuck). 

[Second Base]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

I mean I was 10-12 during the Collins years. I was a fan but I wasn't really paying attention to what the manager was doing, especially because I lived in NH and only got to watch them when they played Boston (yuck). 

In all fairness, while you are older than I am, my family wasn't a fan of Terry Collins at all. 

[Second Base]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

You are literally impossible to converse with now because you've become an insufferable douchebag.

Go fuck yourself.

I believe you misunderstand. What I'm saying is that you liked Scioscia because there wasn't anything you had ever seriously compared him to. 

Scioscia won. And he was beloved for it. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, Second Base said:

I believe you misunderstand. What I'm saying is that you liked Scioscia because there wasn't anything you had ever seriously compared him to. 

Scioscia won. And he was beloved for it. 

I apologize for that post. I deleted it. 

Rough night at work.

[tdawg87]

I'm such an angry man.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm such an angry man.

You just need a hug 

[tdawg87]

49 minutes ago, Jason said:

You just need a hug 

[ukyah]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

that moment always struck me as trying too hard, but, whatever, it's a game.

[Angels Fan Forever]

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

You just need a hug 

I think they need a room...

[tdawg87]

15 minutes ago, Angels Fan Forever said:

I think they need a room...

[Stradling]

I get labeled a super fan, I don’t hate every manager.  I do think Maddon is horribly over rated.  I used to say he was a more quotable Scioscia.  I was dead wrong and that offensive to Scioscia.  Both managers ran a good clubhouse.  Maddon gives Ohtani more freedom, which personally I feel is more Minasian since it just started this year after his arrival.  Scioscia valued defense more.  He also was better with his bullpen decisions.  He also let pitchers finish innings more often.

[Angels 1961]

I miss Bill Rigney