Apparently the Angels are sellers (according to Fangraphs)

[Angelsjunky]

3 hours ago, rageous said:

If the Angels do not trade them, which of them should they offer a qualifying offer?

You would think Heaney and Bundy would both take the offer since it's doubtful that they get a bigger offer per year and their market would decrease with a qualifying offer over their head.

Neither. Bundy would definitely accept, especially if he doesn't drastically improve, and Heaney might too, as he probably won't get much more than 2/$24M or maybe 3/$30M on the open market, so 1/$18M would be a no-brainer. 

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, failos said:

Yeah I’m smart, but I don’t give out my ideas to strangers.

That's what I figuring you have nothing. Put your head back under the rock. 

[Angels 1961]

Cardinals just lost a starter, I believe halos with 4 starters to trade will get some kind of decent prospect back before deadline.

[failos]

53 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

That's what I figuring you have nothing. Put your head back under the rock. 

Looool

[yamsi12]

They should start by selling off Joe Maddon. 

[Angelsjunky]

6 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

How did the defense get so bad?

The Maddoning alignments?

Team defensive slump creating more pressure on every play?

See, when I see things like this I'm convinced you're like one of those old guys that goes through peoples free stuff on the road, and then sells it on Ebay for a bunch of cash. It takes a special kind of mind to find what is so obvious, but no one notices. 

[Inside Pitch]

10 hours ago, nate said:

People need to stop blaming the defense. The team still has the worst ERA in baseball by a good amount. It isn't just mistakes in the field.

Yes!  Absolutely!!!!!  People should totally ignore reality, focus on whatever narrative they want to pitch and ignore all actual data.  Never mind that until recently when an overused bullpen has imploded the gap between the team's real ERA and it's expected ERA was well over a run.

9 hours ago, nate said:

They are 4th worst in FIP, so at worst they are only slightly better than their ERA shows.

Congratulations...  After the idiotic comment made today about Angel Stadium really being a pitchers park but Mike Trout's excellence skewing the numbers this is the funniest most statistically ignorant comment of the day.    

Overall FIP ranking means diddly squat -- the numbers that matter is the gap between real and expected ERAs..   Or if you prefer data that includes balls in play SIERRA which only gains in actual "accuracy" the longer the season goes on and defensive metrics gain sample sizes...    

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,d

1.06 run difference.    Focus on the SPs and that gap is even larger at 1.18

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,a

Again, using the time honored idea that the SP sets the tone, no other team in the top 15 in SP SIERRA has an ERA over 5.00 (Angels 5.14).  The next closest SP ERA is at 4.20.  Let that sink in for a second.  But yeah -- let's ignore all this..  Let's also blindfold ourselves because anyone that's actually watched this team play knows the defense fails the eye test...

So in conclusion..  It's the defense, Stupid.

[Inside Pitch]

8 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

True. And let's add the psychological impact. If you're a pitcher and don't trust your defense, you might press and not pitch as well. But there's also no denying that the pitching--on its own--stinks.

It all steamrollls.   How many times this season has a SP been dicked under by the defense, the team been forced to go to the pen and then suffers for it the rest of the week?   It's not even about stats at this point, it's the eye test..   The defense, just like last season has pretty much set the tone in most games and undermined whatever else has gone on.

[Inside Pitch]

8 hours ago, rageous said:

If the Angels do not trade them, which of them should they offer a qualifying offer?

You would think Heaney and Bundy would both take the offer since it's doubtful that they get a bigger offer per year and their market would decrease with a qualifying offer over their head.

Not sure there is a pending FA on the Angels worthy of a QO...  

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, failos said:

Yeah I’m smart, but I don’t give out my ideas to strangers.

What if they have candy?

[Lou]

We're buyers again! 

[rageous]

5 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Not sure there is a pending FA on the Angels worthy of a QO...  

I would offer one to Heaney and see if he can play up to it for next year.  He's definitely the best out of all the free agent starting pitchers on the team.

[Inside Pitch]

9 hours ago, rageous said:

I would offer one to Heaney and see if he can play up to it for next year.  He's definitely the best out of all the free agent starting pitchers on the team.

I personally would try to sign him now which is why I mentioned "if not sellers they need to decide who to extend"..  Yeah, he shits the bed every so often but he's a decent mid rotation guy.

[failos]

9 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

What if they have candy?

I'm a maybe

[Docwaukee]

25 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yes!  Absolutely!!!!!  People should totally ignore reality, focus on whatever narrative they want to pitch and ignore all actual data.  Never mind that until recently when an overused bullpen has imploded the gap between the team's real ERA and it's expected ERA was well over a run.

Congratulations...  After the idiotic comment made today about Angel Stadium really being a pitchers park but Mike Trout's excellence skewing the numbers this is the funniest most statistically ignorant comment of the day.    

Overall FIP ranking means diddly squat -- the numbers that matter is the gap between real and expected ERAs..   Or if you prefer data that includes balls in play SIERRA which only gains in actual "accuracy" the longer the season goes on and defensive metrics gain sample sizes...    

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,d

1.06 run difference.    Focus on the SPs and that gap is even larger at 1.18

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,a

Again, using the time honored idea that the SP sets the tone, no other team in the top 15 in SP SIERRA has an ERA over 5.00 (Angels 5.14).  The next closest SP ERA is at 4.20.  Let that sink in for a second.  But yeah -- let's ignore all this..  Let's also blindfold ourselves because anyone that's actually watched this team play knows the defense fails the eye test...

So in conclusion..  It's the defense, Stupid.

poor nate

[failos]

24 minutes ago, Lou said:

We're buyers again! 

Be nice

[Docwaukee]

28 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yes!  Absolutely!!!!!  People should totally ignore reality, focus on whatever narrative they want to pitch and ignore all actual data.  Never mind that until recently when an overused bullpen has imploded the gap between the team's real ERA and it's expected ERA was well over a run.

Congratulations...  After the idiotic comment made today about Angel Stadium really being a pitchers park but Mike Trout's excellence skewing the numbers this is the funniest most statistically ignorant comment of the day.    

Overall FIP ranking means diddly squat -- the numbers that matter is the gap between real and expected ERAs..   Or if you prefer data that includes balls in play SIERRA which only gains in actual "accuracy" the longer the season goes on and defensive metrics gain sample sizes...    

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,d

1.06 run difference.    Focus on the SPs and that gap is even larger at 1.18

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,a

Again, using the time honored idea that the SP sets the tone, no other team in the top 15 in SP SIERRA has an ERA over 5.00 (Angels 5.14).  The next closest SP ERA is at 4.20.  Let that sink in for a second.  But yeah -- let's ignore all this..  Let's also blindfold ourselves because anyone that's actually watched this team play knows the defense fails the eye test...

So in conclusion..  It's the defense, Stupid.

can I translate this btw?  

The Angels are giving up an extra run or so per game because of their defense.   It's probably half attributable to individual poor defensive play and the other half to poor alignment.  

That's a run per game btw if the defense were average.  Not optimal.  

[Inside Pitch]

4 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

can I translate this btw?  

The Angels are giving up an extra run or so per game because of their defense.   It's probably half attributable to individual poor defensive play and the other half to poor alignment.  

That's a run per game btw if the defense were average.  Not optimal.  

My easier to understand version had a lot of potty words.  So, Thanks!

[DMVol]

28 minutes ago, rageous said:

I would offer one to Heaney and see if he can play up to it for next year.  He's definitely the best out of all the free agent starting pitchers on the team.

That is kind of like being the tallest midget, isn’t it?

[Inside Pitch]

54 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Congratulations...  After the idiotic comment made today about Angel Stadium really being a pitchers park but Mike Trout's excellence skewing the numbers this is the funniest most statistically ignorant comment of the day.    

Imagine being so obsessed with a single player/statistically ignorant that you would honestly believe a single player's excellence would outweigh the reality that he is 1/1026th (at minimum of the equation in any one full season.   

This is how ridiculously ignorant the notion is.   Park effects compare a player's overall performance OUTSIDE of a park, to that INSIDE of that park, meaning a truly excellent player would essentially cancel himself out by being equally awesome all over.  But then take into consideration that Park data is run over three year samples, and take EVERY player to see ANY at bats in EVERY PARK he's played in...   Meaning it's not just the guys that are everyday players but ANYONE that sees ANY MLB time.   We are talking about THOUSANDS of players..    

But yeah..  Mike Trout can skew the numbers because this chick says so...

Oh yeah...  They do the same thing with the pitchers...  Thus the different ratings for hitters and pitchers.

[JustATroutFan]

Angels Stadium is still a pitchers ballpark. Don't get fool into thinking it's now a hitters ballpark because of the park factor. Bundy has been awful this season. Heaney stinks. Quintana has continued to look bad since 2017. The Angels pitching staff is just terrible. If you put the 2013 Dodgers pitching staff (Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, Jansen, just to name a few) at Angel Stadium for the current amount of home games that the Angels have played so far this season, the park factor at Angel Stadium would be much lower. Same with the 2018 Astros or 2019 Astros pitching staff with guys like Verlander and Cole leading the way. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, JustATroutFan said:

Angels Stadium is still a pitchers ballpark. Don't get fool into thinking it's now a hitters ballpark because of the park factor. Bundy has been awful this season. Heaney stinks. Quintana has continued to look bad since 2017. The Angels pitching staff is just terrible. If you put the 2013 Dodgers pitching staff (Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, Jansen, just to name a few) at Angel Stadium for the current amount of home games that the Angels have played so far this season, the park factor at Angel Stadium would be much lower. Same with the 2018 Astros or 2019 Astros pitching staff with guys like Verlander and Cole leading the way. 

You are completely 100% ignorant of how park data is tabulated and it's making me LOL at you more than usual.

Please.... Stay away from my rabbits.

[T.G.]

I feel like I just watched a John Wick movie. 

[JustATroutFan]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

You are completely 100% ignorant of how park data is tabulated and it's making me LOL at you more than usual.

Please.... Stay away from my rabbits.

Lets do a comparison of Angel Stadium in 2014 vs. 2021. The ballpark factor at Angel Stadium in 2014 was under 100. This season, it's over 100. Mind you, 2014 was another 1968, a season where pitching dominated over hitting. This season is like 2014, pitching dominates hitting. So why is the ballpark factor in 2021 favors hitters at Angel Stadium but not in 2014? A big reason is the Angels pitching staff. In 2014, the Angels had an excellent pitching staff, especially in their starting rotation. Weaver, Shoemaker, and Richards all pitched well that season. All three had ERAs under 3.60. Their bullpen was terrific that season with Street and Joe Smith leading the way. This season, the Angels currently have a terrific pitching staff, both in the starting rotation and bullpen. 

You're just an idiot to realize that, stupid teddy bear. 

[Docwaukee]

8 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

You are completely 100% ignorant of how park data is tabulated and it's making me LOL at you more than usual.

Please.... Stay away from my rabbits.

It's all about the zodiac killer.