Apparently the Angels are sellers (according to Fangraphs)

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Lets do a comparison of Angel Stadium in 2014 vs. 2021. The ballpark factor at Angel Stadium in 2014 was under 100. This season, it's over 100. Mind you, 2014 was another 1968, a season where pitching dominated over hitting. This season is like 2014, pitching dominates hitting. So why is the ballpark factor in 2021 favors hitters at Angel Stadium but not in 2014? A big reason is the Angels pitching staff. In 2014, the Angels had an excellent pitching staff, especially in their starting rotation. Weaver, Shoemaker, and Richards all pitched well that season. All three had ERAs under 3.60. Their bullpen was terrific that season with Street and Joe Smith leading the way. This season, the Angels currently have a terrific pitching staff, both in the starting rotation and bullpen. 

You're just an idiot to realize that, stupid teddy bear. 

"Talk sense with a fool, and he'll call you foolish" -- Euripides 

 

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[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

"Talk sense with a fool, and he'll call you foolish" -- Euripides 

 

do you want to tell him that park factor is home vs. road RS and RA or should I?  

[Docwaukee]

2 minutes ago, True Grich said:

no way I could stand missing this right now.  You just went to the bathroom while Ohtani struck out the side and then came up and hit a 450 ft bomb.  

[JustATroutFan]

14 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

It's all about the zodiac killer.  

Maybe someone should tell opposing offenses to not have that Zodiac Killer mentality (killer instinct) when they hit at Angel Stadium and make it look like a hitters ballpark. Or tell the Angels pitching staff to stop sucking because by the time the Angels have a good pitching staff again like they did years ago, Zodiac might finally be caught. 

[Inside Pitch]

28 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Lets do a comparison of Angel Stadium in 2014 vs. 2021. The ballpark factor at Angel Stadium in 2014 was under 100. This season, it's over 100. Mind you, 2014 was another 1968, a season where pitching dominated over hitting. This season is like 2014, pitching dominates hitting. So why is the ballpark factor in 2021 favors hitters at Angel Stadium but not in 2014? A big reason is the Angels pitching staff. In 2014, the Angels had an excellent pitching staff, especially in their starting rotation. Weaver, Shoemaker, and Richards all pitched well that season. All three had ERAs under 3.60. Their bullpen was terrific that season with Street and Joe Smith leading the way. This season, the Angels currently have a terrific pitching staff, both in the starting rotation and bullpen. 

You're just an idiot to realize that, stupid teddy bear. 

LOL..   The comparison was already done.... and it included ALL MLB players.   

Guess what the data established?  That everyone that pitched in Angel Stadium in 2014 allowed fewer runs there than they did in other places -- it's not a measure of performance based on talent at hand, it's a measure of how the talent on hand performs in a particular park compared to everywhere else

..... and it takes EVERONE into account not just the home team.

You don't know how park data works, and with every post where you try to argue your position you make it clear you simply don't.   It's laughable.

8 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Maybe someone should tell opposing offenses to not have that Zodiac Killer mentality (killer instinct) when they hit at Angel Stadium and make it look like a hitters ballpark. Or tell the Angels pitching staff to stop sucking because by the time the Angels have a good pitching staff again like they did years ago, Zodiac might finally be caught. 

Case in point.

 

[Inside Pitch]

19 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

do you want to tell him that park factor is home vs. road RS and RA or should I?  

It's actually entertaining watching how his brain "works".

[JustATroutFan]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

It's actually entertaining watching how his brain "works".

Says the "guy" who is still fuming over what another person said like 12 hours ago. You need to get your head check. 

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Says the "guy" who is still fuming over what another person said like 12 hours ago. You need to get your head check. 

[Vlad27Trout27]

we've won 6 of 9. played one of the hardest scehdule, we are 6 games behind first, both Astros and Oakland are beatable teams, we are getting healthy! 

Fuck selling!

Time to Buy!

[Docwaukee]

9 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Says the "guy" who is still fuming over what another person said like 12 hours ago. You need to get your head check. 

I keep trying to tell him that.  He just won't listen.  

[Inside Pitch]

8 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I keep trying to tell him that.  He just won't listen.  

I'm doing God's work.

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

I'm doing God's work.

you should stop.  You're just in over your head.  

[Inside Pitch]

5 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

you should stop.  You're just in over your head.  

You're probably right.   I'll do it for the sake of the rabbits.

[Docwaukee]

Just now, cals said:

Next tell us how peeing sitting down really is the manly thing to do because it’s more polite for the women in the house.

@calsshits standing up.  

[Docwaukee]

2 minutes ago, cals said:

That’s a medical issue and I assumed the doctor/patient privilege applied when I told you.  It happened again today, btw.  My wife suggested I could get back into life with Depends undergarments.

I just wanted everyone to know how impressive your aim is.  

[Angelsjunky]

8 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

It all steamrollls.   How many times this season has a SP been dicked under by the defense, the team been forced to go to the pen and then suffers for it the rest of the week?   It's not even about stats at this point, it's the eye test..   The defense, just like last season has pretty much set the tone in most games and undermined whatever else has gone on.

Yup. A baseball team is a holistic system and everything impacts everything else. What is unclear to me is why the pitching and defense has been so bad. It doesn't really make sense. It is like a runner stumbling out of the gate and never finding their balance.

[nate]

8 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yes!  Absolutely!!!!!  People should totally ignore reality, focus on whatever narrative they want to pitch and ignore all actual data.  Never mind that until recently when an overused bullpen has imploded the gap between the team's real ERA and it's expected ERA was well over a run.

Congratulations...  After the idiotic comment made today about Angel Stadium really being a pitchers park but Mike Trout's excellence skewing the numbers this is the funniest most statistically ignorant comment of the day.    

Overall FIP ranking means diddly squat -- the numbers that matter is the gap between real and expected ERAs..   Or if you prefer data that includes balls in play SIERRA which only gains in actual "accuracy" the longer the season goes on and defensive metrics gain sample sizes...    

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,d

1.06 run difference.    Focus on the SPs and that gap is even larger at 1.18

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=20,a

Again, using the time honored idea that the SP sets the tone, no other team in the top 15 in SP SIERRA has an ERA over 5.00 (Angels 5.14).  The next closest SP ERA is at 4.20.  Let that sink in for a second.  But yeah -- let's ignore all this..  Let's also blindfold ourselves because anyone that's actually watched this team play knows the defense fails the eye test...

So in conclusion..  It's the defense, Stupid.

The defense is bad, but FIP is literally "Fielding Independent Pitching" so, as with all data, anyone can cherry pick stats to fit their narrative. The pitching is fucking awful, so is the defense.

[Angelsjunky]

7 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Imagine being so obsessed with a single player/statistically ignorant that you would honestly believe a single player's excellence would outweigh the reality that he is 1/1026th (at minimum of the equation in any one full season.   

 

I'll illustrate this in another way. Trout is as much responsible for the Angels Statium park factor as Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

[Inside Pitch]

28 minutes ago, nate said:

The defense is bad, but FIP is literally "Fielding Independent Pitching" so, as with all data, anyone can cherry pick stats to fit their narrative. The pitching is fucking awful, so is the defense.

It's only cherry picking if one chooses to ignore all the data save for the that which supports their opinions.  But FIP, xFIP, SIERRA are all pointing towards the same conclusion despite the fact that the methodology is different.   Then you have all the defensive metrics that paint an even more compelling picture of how awful the defense has been.

DRS 4th worst
RZR  5th worst
UZR 2nd worst
UZR/150 3rd worst
Def  2nd worst
ErrR 5th worst

Who is cherry picking?

This defense is bad and has had an immensely negative impact on the pitching staff  -- the metrics simply support the eye test.   Not gonna lie the only way to argue the opposite is to not have watched this team actually play.

[nate]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

It's only cherry picking if one chooses to ignore all the data save for the that which supports their opinions.  But FIP, xFIP, SIERRA are all pointing towards the same conclusion despite the fact that the methodology is different.   Then you have all the defensive metrics that paint an even more compelling picture of how awful the defense has been.

DRS 4th worst
RZR  5th worst
UZR 2nd worst
UZR/150 3rd worst
Def  2nd worst
ErrR 5th worst

Who is cherry picking?

This defense is bad -- The metrics simply support the eye test.   Not gonna lie the only way to argue the opposite is to not have watched this team actually play.

Third worst in walks.

Is the defense calling balls and strikes too?

[Angels 1961]

The defense has been bad but can improve. Many players in multi positions. 

[Inside Pitch]

57 minutes ago, nate said:

Third worst in walks.

Is the defense calling balls and strikes too?

Hilarious.  The guy yapping about cherry picking, cherry picks a stat.

K/9
K%
BaBIP
GB%
K-BB%
E-F

Tell me what those data points say.  I'm up to 15 different data points to your 1.   Shall we go on?  Or does that ONE data point of yours completely invalidate the 15 different ones that argue the pitching is better than the raw data is showing?

BTW, do you think a pitcher knowing the defense behind him is a shit show, one that's actually seen play after play get butchered might try to be too fine or try to work Ks and end up walking more guys?   

Still want to double down on this whole cherry-picking position of yours?

[nate]

So our pitchers are mental midgets that can't pitch well cause they are worried about the defense duffing a ball in play?

Since these pitchers all historically have had poor control and overall have been bad, why is it different this time?

[Angels 1961]

Minasian may be in tough spot if halos get to 500 and only 4 to 5 games back.  Heaney, Cobb and even Bundy pitch well what do you do. Offers will come in do you trade them or try with a slim chance of making playoffs. Could end up losing all of them with nothing in return. Trout coming back and Rendon starts to hit. Angels 8 and 4 when Stassi starts. Could halos move out of sellers list and jump over the bubble and become BUYERS?