The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[mmc]

Curious as to where the people upset about losing Jones expected him to get any playing time on our roster both this season and the next several?  He's at least third on the utility depth chart behind Rengifo and Barreto, and we also have Robel Garcia who was claimed off waivers and Phil Gosselin who, while not a starting caliber player, has shown way more at the MLB level.

[Lou]

Just now, mmc said:

Curious as to where the people upset about losing Jones expected him to get any playing time on our roster both this season and the next several?

Salt Lake City.

Maybe.

[Stradling]

5 minutes ago, mmc said:

Curious as to where the people upset about losing Jones expected him to get any playing time on our roster both this season and the next several?  He's at least third on the utility depth chart behind Rengifo and Barreto, and we also have Robel Garcia who was claimed off waivers and Phil Gosselin who, while not a starting caliber player, has shown way more at the MLB level.

I think the thought is, if you are going to move him move him as a secondary piece to get someone with either higher upside/higher probability of success or for someone with more club control.   

[tdawg87]

I didn't care about Jones. He was a "top 10" prospect in our system but I thought that was always a little high. I guess he has some upside.

The issue is we gave up anything to get a pitcher we already have (Barria). Depth is good but in this case it's redundant. Hell, Barria may even be better.

[mmc]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I think the thought is, if you are going to move him move him as a secondary piece to get someone with either higher upside/higher probability of success or for someone with more club control.   

Of course this is the ideal solution,  but I still think that if this could've happened, it would've.  The trade indicates to me that Jones had very little value around the league, except to a team like the Orioles who are penny pinching to the point where they tried to defer Santander's arbitration contract, and just want someone who they can slot in and pay hardly anything.  I compare Jones's value to last season when the A's traded Jorge Mateo who is very comparable to Jones (formerly highly regarded prospect whose value tanked because as they moved up the minor leagues, they stopped being able to hit and are a similar age), and all the A's got in return was a PTBNL/cash.  And so because of that, I have no issue with trading a player who is not expected to ever contribute for one that will.

[Docwaukee]

9 minutes ago, mmc said:

Curious as to where the people upset about losing Jones expected him to get any playing time on our roster both this season and the next several?  He's at least third on the utility depth chart behind Rengifo and Barreto, and we also have Robel Garcia who was claimed off waivers and Phil Gosselin who, while not a starting caliber player, has shown way more at the MLB level.

Neither Barreto or Rengifo have done jack at the major league level so far.  They both deserve more time but having either or both of them getting regular PT as the primary stop gap could be ugly.  

Most people aren't upset about losing Jones as much as they are about getting Cobb and potentially dedicating a bunch of innings to him.  Cobb is a borderline waiver pickup or someone who's easily replaceable with a minor league contract.  Why give up anything at all?  

If quintana were still on a team under contract and we had to trade for him and take on 8m to do so, giving up Jones wouldn't have bothered me because I view Quintana as have value to the team.  

[mmc]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

Neither Barreto or Rengifo have done jack at the major league level so far.  They both deserve more time but having either or both of them getting regular PT as the primary stop gap could be ugly.  

Most people aren't upset about losing Jones as much as they are about getting Cobb and potentially dedicating a bunch of innings to him.  Cobb is a borderline waiver pickup or someone who's easily replaceable with a minor league contract.  Why give up anything at all?  

If quintana were still on a team under contract and we had to trade for him and take on 8m to do so, giving up Jones wouldn't have bothered me because I view Quintana as have value to the team.  

I know this response will sound incredibly stupid, and I didn't like the acquisition either, but the answer is that Minasian values Cobb more than you or I do.  Whether he's right or not remains to be seen but we've yet to see the results from any of his acquisitions so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one for the time being.  I completely understand why people are skeptical but I guess I just feel like because it's his first year, we should see if he's correct on his assessments of players before jumping to the conclusion that Cobb isn't someone we could use.

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[tdawg87]

"Gardy".

Fucking hell Heyman is so gay.

 

[happybat4]

21 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

He actually would have been a great fit for the Angels. Very underrated player. I doubt he would have signed with anyone else though.

[mmc]

 

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[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

F'n Minasian

[Inside Pitch]

13 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Twins just got better.

[Angelsfan1984]

21 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Twins just got better.

13-5 3.8 era

[Pancake Bear]

39 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Roughly same amount Angels paying Cobb, but without the prospect price. 

[Billy_Ball]

Pot, meet kettle.

 

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[mmc]

 

[Angels in 2030]

So is pitch “fixing/tweak” the Pitchers spring training version of “best shape of career” for position players now? 

[Erstad Grit]

45 minutes ago, Fourts said:

So is pitch “fixing/tweak” the Pitchers spring training version of “best shape of career” for position players now? 

I mean if we have the system to spot pitching mechanic flaws that are easy fixes that would be incredible. We could sign struggling pitchers, make tweaks, watch them soar. Perhaps that happened with Bundy.

I'm doubtful. 

[Bronson]

16 hours ago, Billy_Ball said:

Pot, meet kettle.

 

Bauer telling someone to treat their fans better is quite possibly the most hypocritical thing I’ve heard in a long while.

[Angel Oracle]

Sooo, I’m just curious lately about Shane Greene still being unsigned.

Still only 32, back-to-back solid seasons with late innings talent, AND pitched for the Braves in 2019 when Perry was still there.

Greene >>> Buttrey.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Angel Oracle