The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Quintana making regular starts means we can avoid seeing starts from guys like Dilon Peters and whomever else we would find off the scrap heap.

As you said, having some pitchers who can consistently make starts, even if those starts are league average to slightly above league average, does hold value because it means we avoid having to tap into our rather poor SP depth.

Bundy and Quintana, at the least, should be able to be counted on to make most of their starts.  Heaney and Canning, probably not so much.

This can't be said enough.   

Another league average guy last year is the difference between having two Andrew Heaney's and having Sandoval try to learn how to be a MLB SP.  Heaney went 4-3 with a 101 ERA+.  Sandoval 1-5 with an 80 ERA+. 

A fighting chance is better than no chance at all.

[Docwaukee]

37 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Quintana will live around 3-6 runs per game where he will pitching 4-7 innings in them. At the end of the day it'll be around there. 

that would make him one of the worst pitchers in baseball.  You failed the math test once, your teacher gave you another shot, and you put the same wrong answer.  

[tdawg87]

[Angel Oracle]

Consider that even a 4.00 ERA means pitching 6 innings on average and allowing 2.67 runs per start.

I think we would all be happy with that from a guy making $8 million.

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

This can't be said enough.   

Another league average guy last year is the difference between having two Andrew Heaney's and having Sandoval try to learn how to be a MLB SP.  Heaney went 4-3 with a 101 ERA+.  Sandoval 1-5 with an 80 ERA+. 

A fighting chance is better than no chance at all.

21 starts made by 6 different guys last year (in a 60 game season) for a total of 60.0 ip and and era of 11.10.  Those pitchers went 0-13.  

It's pretty amazing when you think about it.  

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

21 starts made by 6 different guys last year (in a 60 game season) for a total of 60.0 ip and and era of 11.10.  Those pitchers went 0-13. 

[Docwaukee]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

yah but Quintana didn't bring any value to the team.  He's just the same as what we've already got.  

[tdawg87]

Teheran was literally the worst case scenario coming to fruition. 

Expecting the same from Quintana is dumb. He might end up with a 93 ERA+ and something like 10 wins, but that absolutely destroys whatever the fuck doc posted above.

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

21 starts made by 6 different guys last year (in a 60 game season) for a total of 60.0 ip and and era of 11.10.  Those pitchers went 0-13.  

It's pretty amazing when you think about it.  

4.50 ERA ..... 11.10 ERA.   "Same thing"

2.8 IP per game ..... 5 IP per game  "Same thing"

[Docwaukee]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

Teheran was literally the worst case scenario coming to fruition. 

Expecting the same from Quintana is dumb. He might end up with a 93 ERA+ and something like 10 wins, but that absolutely destroys whatever the fuck doc posted above.

give us an era of 5 in those starts and I bet we have 5 more wins.  

[Jay]

1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

You should know by now that literally every Angels beat writer tweeted almost the same exact thing....

good to know.

[rafibomb]

18 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

that would make him one of the worst pitchers in baseball.  You failed the math test once, your teacher gave you another shot, and you put the same wrong answer.  

Maybe he just likes to live dangerously

Edited January 23, 2021 by rafibomb

[Docwaukee]

In 2019, Quintana made 32 starts.  He gave up more than 5 runs twice.  

He gave up 4 runs or less 25 times.  

He went less than 5 innings 10 times.  two of which were his first two starts of the season.  

 

 

[Vlad27Trout27]

shut up! You ain't making sense (too the guy that talking about an 11era)

Quintana

170 innings, 12-9, 4.21 era 3.97 fip, around 2.6-3 war. bet on it.

 

Not shut up and talk about something worth talking! 

 

 

 

 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

In 2019, Quintana made 32 starts.  He gave up more than 5 runs twice.  

He gave up 4 runs or less 25 times.  

He went less than 5 innings 10 times.  two of which were his first two starts of the season.  

 

 

But...raw ERA

[Docwaukee]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

But...raw ERA

His FIP was 3.80.  

The last time an Angel pitcher threw 170ip or more with an FIP of 3.8 or less was CJ Wilson in 2013.  

[angelsnationtalk]

In case anyone wants an update

 

 

[Jay]

Geez I was certain Angels Nation Talk was off the air

[tdawg87]

I stopped at "I am trying to be as transparent as possible".

Fuckin lying bitch. 

[Pancake Bear]

Rosenthal not mentioning the Angels being in on Bauer is not significant. If he'd said they were previously but aren't now, that would be. If he said Bauer is out of their price range, that would be notable. Absence of mentions simply means he has no info on them.

Maria Torres saying keep expectations low is not significant. If she was actually reporting that the Angels are definitively out, she would have said so. She didn't. No one else has. 

Bauer's relationships with the Angels strength and conditioning coach and with Callaway are not significant. If his beef with Callaway was a serious issue, that would have been clear previously.

None of that is to say that the Angels are absolutely pursuing Bauer. They may be. They may not be. Nobody has reported anything definitive about them. Virtually everything reported has been speculation. 

Bauer's social media profile and brand building could be significant. E.g. Arte may not like how Bauer handles himself off the field. 

Arte never having spent as much as he would if we do sign Bauer could be significant. It isn't prohibitive, but past history should always be considered. 

Tl;dr: We know virtually nothing. There have been basically no leaks. We know the Angels have a need on the field that Bauer fits. We know the Angels don't typically spend that much and that may take them out of the running. We know they may not like how he conducts himself off the field (or, heck, even on it). But we know nothing for sure. It's all speculation.

[angelsnationtalk]

11 minutes ago, Jay said:

Geez I was certain Angels Nation Talk was off the air

[Inside Pitch]

5 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

[Docwaukee]

3 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Rosenthal not mentioning the Angels being in on Bauer is not significant. If he'd said they were previously but aren't now, that would be. If he said Bauer is out of their price range, that would be notable. Absence of mentions simply means he has no info on them.

Maria Torres saying keep expectations low is not significant. If she was actually reporting that the Angels are definitively out, she would have said so. She didn't. No one else has. 

Bauer's relationships with the Angels strength and conditioning coach and with Callaway are not significant. If his beef with Callaway was a serious issue, that would have been clear previously.

None of that is to say that the Angels are absolutely pursuing Bauer. They may be. They may not be. Nobody has reported anything definitive about them. Virtually everything reported has been speculation. 

Bauer's social media profile and brand building could be significant. E.g. Arte may not like how Bauer handles himself off the field. 

Arte never having spent as much as he would if we do sign Bauer could be significant. It isn't prohibitive, but past history should always be considered. 

Tl;dr: We know virtually nothing. There have been basically no leaks. We know the Angels have a need on the field that Bauer fits. We know the Angels don't typically spend that much and that may take them out of the running. We know they may not like how he conducts himself off the field (or, heck, even on it). But we know nothing for sure. It's all speculation.

the Angels are not afraid of big money free agents.  If they like a guy, they go aggressive 

[angelsnationtalk]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

By far one of the best clips out of the Indiana Jones movies

[angelsnationtalk]

One thing I wonder is if they've asked Mike Trout to talk to any of the free agents. I can't recall the time, but I thought I remember somewhere where he said he wouldn't mind talking to someone if the organization asked. Just a thought.