2018 Hot Stove League

[Lou]

he's going to get rocked 

[Halodays]

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

he's going to get rocked 

I agree. It's going to be bombs away at home.

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, Randy Gradishar said:

Eppy's first mistake. Tip your cap to the BJays.

[Angel Oracle]

22 minutes ago, Lou said:

he's going to get rocked 

Especially when the splitter isn't working 

[Chuck]

David Robertson had a 2.97 FIP last year and has reinvented himself into a three pitch guy. This move would make more sense than signing Josh Harrison, who Morosi reports the Angels are also interested in. https://t.co/13BvLqu2p3

— Maria Torres (@maria_torres3) December 28, 2018

[nando714]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Especially when the splitter isn't working 

AL east ballparks won’t be his friend

[Angel Oracle]

As mentioned in another thread, why not offer a higher salary for one year to Robertson?   He re-establishes himself as a closer, and then he can get the bigger money over 2-3 years to close elsewhere.   Can't Arte have three higher one year salaries in 2019 (to go with Harvey and Cahill), which puts him somewhat over budget (but under tax threshold) for just 2019?

Robertson, Lowrie, and Avila or Machete would be a solid enough close to the off-season.

Add Harvey, Cahill, Lowrie, Robertson, Bour, LaStella, and either Avila or Machete;

and lose Shoe and really not much else = potential for a nice season (including having Felix Pena, Canning, Suarez, Fletcher, Ward, Hermosillo, Peters, Tropeano, Bridwell, and Rhoades on call in AAA for nice depth plus Adell, Jones, Marsh, and Sandoval in AA for possible late season promotions to Anaheim).  

[totdprods]

25 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

As mentioned in another thread, why not offer a higher salary for one year to Robertson?   He re-establishes himself as a closer, and then he can get the bigger money over 2-3 years to close elsewhere.   Can't Arte have three higher one year salaries in 2019 (to go with Harvey and Cahill), which puts him somewhat over budget (but under tax threshold) for just 2019?

Not impossible, but it's a little risky for Robertson at his age, the volatility of relievers, and the always changing relief market. Given that market, he's already likely getting offers anywhere from $5-6m annually, all the way up to $10-11m. How much higher is it worth going for one year for ~60 innings?

Since he's acting as his own agent, I think he's genuinely interested in getting a strong deal with multiple years somewhere he wants to be as well.

[UndertheHalo]

These last two offseasons in particular have made me start to think that a FA deadline at the end of the winter meetings would be a good thing. 

 

[Docwaukee]

6 minutes ago, Lou said:

Umm, doc . . . 

we really need to talk, buddy. 

you know that would make for some good TV.  

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

you know that would make for some good TV.  

the agents can walk their players around the bases like a race horse sale. 

[Lou]

don't get excited, honkies 

[Vlad27Trout27]

Looks like Machado to the Yank's maybe a done deal.For Harper it may come down to Dodger and Phils, Dodgers are rumored to giving a contract of 5 yrs, while phils will need to overpay and they will offer 10 years. I hope that the phil overpay for Harper and than Keuchel, could benefit us in 2020 with trout. 

[Stradling]

Just now, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Looks like Machado to the Yank's maybe a done deal.For Harper it may come down to Dodger and Phils, Dodgers are rumored to giving a contract of 5 yrs, while phils will need to overpay and they will offer 10 years. I hope that the phil overpay for Harper and than Keuchel, could benefit us in 2020 with trout. 

Link the Machado thing please.  I keep seeing stuff but nothing reputable 

[Docwaukee]

I could see a 5/200 deal for Harper with a 3yr opt out.  Entering age 29 as a FA again.  Could get another 200m contract at that point and end up with 300+ mil.  

If I had to guess a Yanks Machado deal, it's 8/270.  opt out after the 4th year with 35m in each of the first 4.  

I think opt outs will shorten the term for both of these guys.  

[Vlad27Trout27]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Link the Machado thing please.  I keep seeing stuff but nothing reputable 

don't really know how to plost twiTwitter posts, but here's a link.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1078756564100509696?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1078756564100509696&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FDanClarkSports%2Fstatus%2F1078756564100509696%26widget%3DTweet

[jordan]

4 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

don't really know how to plost twiTwitter posts, but here's a link.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1078756564100509696?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1078756564100509696&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FDanClarkSports%2Fstatus%2F1078756564100509696%26widget%3DTweet

 

[TroutField]

36 minutes ago, jordan said:

 

This is getting more ridiculous than “The Decision” at this point. I’m surprised ESPN hasn’t attempted to get a 1 hour special for when these two guys decide where they want to go 

[UndertheHalo]

12 minutes ago, TroutField said:

This is getting more ridiculous than “The Decision” at this point. I’m surprised ESPN hasn’t attempted to get a 1 hour special for when these two guys decide where they want to go 

Oh come on.  We aren’t even in the same dimension that “the decision” was. 

[TroutField]

Just now, UndertheHalo said:

Oh come on.  We aren’t even in the same dimension that “the decision” was. 

I disagree 

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Oh come on.  We aren’t even in the same dimension that “the decision” was. 

I agree 

(seriously)

[Second Base]

Source: Angels have the inside track on Kikuchi, but for a lot less than you'd expect. Teams have withheld bids so far. Lots of dialogue, not many offers. Also, Robertson meeting with Eppler was just a courtesy, not expected to leave the East Coast. Has offer in hand from Boston.

[Stradling]

Your source or did you read this somewhere?  

[jessecrall]

10 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Source: Angels have the inside track on Kikuchi, but for a lot less than you'd expect. Teams have withheld bids so far. Lots of dialogue, not many offers. Also, Robertson meeting with Eppler was just a courtesy, not expected to leave the East Coast. Has offer in hand from Boston.

I was high on Kikuchi when I saw that MLB Trade Rumours had him projected at 6/$42, which seemed incredibly reasonable for a guy who was seen as a #3 with #2 potential. He helps now, helps later and at that price, you can weather some injuries along the way. I've seen much higher numbers being floated around but MLBTR's been pretty accurate so far so this doesn't surprise me.

[TroutField]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

I agree 

(seriously)

My opinion is more important though