Theoretical (not likely to happen) question... Machado/Arenado

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Theoretically speaking this coming off season if both were an option would you rather :
A:  sign Machado
or
B:  Trade for Arenado
This of course comes with the understanding that we would lose prospects to make the trade of course and there is the risk of signing him long term, but he would also cost about half.
Thoughts?
Not going into other associated issues just in a nutshell, if we decided to go in this kind of direction, which way would you go?
As for me, i think id prefer Arenado. 

[Lou]

this is tough, made even more so because I don't think there's any chance that Machado makes twice as much as Arenado. of course, it would also depend on the prospects. 

if it were just comparing the players, I would choose Arenado. however, when weighing the addition of prospects and uncertainty of having Arenado for not more than 1 season, I would have to choose Machado. 

[tdawg87]

That's a good question.

I'd actually take Machado in this scenario. We keep the prospects and get a long term solution/upgrade at 3rd.

That said, in reality I'd rather save the money AND prospects and re-up Trout this off-season then sign Arrenado in 2020.

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7 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

That's a good question.

I'd actually take Machado in this scenario. We keep the prospects and get a long term solution/upgrade at 3rd.

That said, in reality I'd rather save the money AND prospects and re-up Trout this off-season then sign Arrenado in 2020.

Good point, we could always wait a year,  maybe that should have been a third option   
Im just not keen on wasting 2019 so it didnt cross my mind. 

[Lou]

extending Trout won't prevent us from signing a big FA this year. 

[beatlesrule]

Machado will cost a lot of money. Arrenado will cost top prospects and less money.  Machado all day.

EDITED for no draft pick.

[Lou]

how much do you guys think Arrenado is going to command as a free agent ? it seems as if some have underestimated his value (in terms of $$)

[tdawg87]

19 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Machado will cost a lot of money and a draft pick. Arrenado will cost top prospects and less money.  Machado all day.

Machado won't even cost a draft pick now since he was traded.

[beatlesrule]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Machado won't even cost a draft pick now since he was traded.

Even bigger no brainer. 

[tdawg87]

Actually if Arrenado gets traded this off-season Colorado is going to get a haul. We could do it but it would cost something like Adell, Canning, and Marsh. That's a steep price and sets our system back at least 2 years.

[AngelStew43]

This is a problem.  Machado wants to play SS.  We have one of those already.  Simmons is probably the one player we could trade to fortify the starting pitching,.  

And, we still have Cozart for two more seasons, presumably to play 3B.  

Machado.

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Lou said:

how much do you guys think Arrenado is going to command as a free agent ? it seems as if some have underestimated his value (in terms of $$)

cowart + hermosillo + blash + bedrosian

[Dick B Back]

8 minutes ago, Tank said:

cowart + hermosillo + blash + bedrosian < shit.

FIFY

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Tank said:

cowart + hermosillo + blash + bedrosian

+ a nice sweater 

[Tank]

9 minutes ago, Lou said:

+ a nice sweater 

of course! it gets cold in colorado.

[Stradling]

If these were the only two options I would go with the Machado option.  That being said, I would rather the team go with Ward for next year, use the assets you have in the minors, not named Adell and trade for the very best starting pitcher you can acquire with the other guys as trade chips.  Then I would evaluate Ward next season, you would then have improved the starting rotation and I wouldn’t shy away from signing a starting rotation arm in free agency.  Then if Ward isn’t the answer, then the following off season you can try to sign Arrenado and you will already have a better rotation that before.  

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5 hours ago, Lou said:

extending Trout won't prevent us from signing a big FA this year. 

No, it wont, in fact i expect the 2 to be related.  

[Dtwncbad]

Ward has not shown enough promise to potentially waste an entire year evaluating him.

Looks like maybe maybe he can be David Freese light.  That's not the kind of player I burn a year on when you can have a superstar dropped into that spot.

This is exactly what free agency is for.  Surgical additions that fit and instantly improve your team.

For the record I like Arenado more than Machado.  But considering you can get Machado now for CASH only and keep the prospects and have a solution starting in 2019 instead of a year later. . . No brainer.

[goldenGlove]

6 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Ward has not shown enough promise to potentially waste an entire year evaluating him.

Looks like maybe maybe he can be David Freese light.  That's not the kind of player I burn a year on when you can have a superstar dropped into that spot.

This is exactly what free agency is for.  Surgical additions that fit and instantly improve your team.

For the record I like Arenado more than Machado.  But considering you can get Machado now for CASH only and keep the prospects and have a solution starting in 2019 instead of a year later. . . No brainer.

100% agree

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

+ a nice sweater 

 

[Docwaukee]

Machado.  He's the better player.  I like Arenado a lot, but what he'd cost in trade would set the farm back big time and you'd have to sign him long term to make it worth it which would cost about the same as Machado.  

But in the end, I don't think we sign a position player unless it's a catcher this off season.  Fletcher and Cozart will get the job.  Ward and Rengifo waiting in the wings.    Resources will go to pitching.  

[Jeff Fletcher]

I think Arenado is a better player. More consistent. Better defensively. Less risky. 

Machado had a .780 OPS just last year. 

I also like the idea of having a one-year look at how he performs in your ballpark before paying $300 million

Edited September 17, 2018 by Jeff Fletcher

[Lou]

25 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Machado.  He's the better player.

I disagree 

[Lou]

or what Fletch said

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Dtwncbad said:

Ward has not shown enough promise to potentially waste an entire year evaluating him.

Looks like maybe maybe he can be David Freese light.  That's not the kind of player I burn a year on when you can have a superstar dropped into that spot.

This is exactly what free agency is for.  Surgical additions that fit and instantly improve your team.

For the record I like Arenado more than Machado.  But considering you can get Machado now for CASH only and keep the prospects and have a solution starting in 2019 instead of a year later. . . No brainer.

It isn’t a wasted year if we upgrade elsewhere.