Theoretical (not likely to happen) question... Machado/Arenado

[IIIII]

Arenado is the better player but losing vital prospects is scary now that the team is finally putting together a great farm system.

[ettin]

7 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

OK.

That's a different argument and yet I still think you are wrong.

Arenado will be very expensive to acquire in terms of minor league talent.

You worry Machado might fade in a 10 year deal. (Let's be real, he is signing something with an opt out at 3 or 4 years but whatever.)

Why ignore the drop in production from trading away quality minor leaguers?

Having Machado and keeping your prospects seems to be less risk that getting Arenado for a year and then facing that dent in your pool of prospects.

 

7 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I don’t know how significant the prospect cost would be for Arenado because it’s just for one year. I don’t think it would wreck the system by any means. 

There’s certainly no slam dunk answer either way. 

I happen to think Arenado is a better player on the 2019 Angels anyway, even if you ignore all the costs and go on a picking-in-the-playground method. 

 

I don't think Arenado will cost as much as you think @Dtwncbad, primarily because his arbitration salary in 2019 will be about $20M. That alone will kill his surplus value enough where sending a prospect like Jahmai Jones plus a mid-level guy like Jose Soriano would be enough to acquire him. Maybe it's someone like Taylor Ward or Luis Rengifo plus one more prospect instead. The Rockies are not a super high payroll team and Nolan may be an expense they cannot afford in their window of contention. Might be an opportunity for the Angels.

[GrittyVeterans]

If you can get Nolan Arenado for some of the names being tossed around in this thread, you do it yesterday (Kidding, of course. COL is still in the race this year)

I personally think  Colorado would ask for Canning + Rengifo or something like that.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 9/16/2018 at 1:05 PM, tdawg87 said:

Machado won't even cost a draft pick now since he was traded.

Machado wants to play SS, so not only do you need to match other teams offers. You need to convince him to play 3B again.

[Dtwncbad]

51 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Machado wants to play SS, so not only do you need to match other teams offers. You need to convince him to play 3B again.

Repeating an earlier point. . .Machado is capable of playing short and he basically demanded to do so this year prior to his free agency.

It is very reasonable to assume he did this to maximize the number of teams that would bid on him. . .and bid against each other.

Now he has every team that wants a SS and every team that wants a 3B all bidding against each other.

It was very smart to do this.

I am just not convinced the final position for him is going to matter more than the money.

[AngelsFanSince86]

4 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Machado wants to play SS, so not only do you need to match other teams offers. You need to convince him to play 3B again.

Just thought I would put this here:

https://dodgerblue.com/mlb-free-agency-rumors-dodgers-manny-machado-willing-transition-third-base-for-right-team/2018/09/17/

Apparently Machado is willing to make the move back to 3B...according to sources...

[GrittyVeterans]

4 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Machado wants to play SS, so not only do you need to match other teams offers. You need to convince him to play 3B again.

You actually believe he cares what position he plays? 

Guy is going to care about money and location. And maybe winning. Nothing else will matter much

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

17 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

You actually believe he cares what position he plays? 

Guy is going to care about money and location. And maybe winning. Nothing else will matter much

There is no question whether he gets paid or not. Playing SS just may be the kicker

[eligrba4ever]

Yes. Not likely to happen. Either one.

[GrittyVeterans]

1 hour ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

There is no question whether he gets paid or not. Playing SS just may be the kicker

I doubt it. Strongly. These guys don't care about stuff like that most of the time. A-Rod didn't mind moving to 3rd as long as he was getting those contracts

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

6 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

I doubt it. Strongly. These guys don't care about stuff like that most of the time. A-Rod didn't mind moving to 3rd as long as he was getting those contracts

OK he made a big deal about playing SS last winter. I guess I just believe what players say.

[GrittyVeterans]

12 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

OK he made a big deal about playing SS last winter. I guess I just believe what players say.

He did it to build his value, not because he is adamant on actually playing there. Big difference

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

4 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

He did it to build his value, not because he is adamant on actually playing there. Big difference

maybe, did he tell you that?

[Dtwncbad]

5 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

maybe, did he tell you that?

Does he want to make more money or less money?  How do you know?

Did he tell you that?

[Angel Oracle]

What’s the harm in waiting one year for a guy (Arenado) who checks off even more boxes than Machado does?

[Dtwncbad]

42 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

What’s the harm in waiting one year for a guy (Arenado) who checks off even more boxes than Machado does?

The harm is 2019.

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

What’s the harm in waiting one year for a guy (Arenado) who checks off even more boxes than Machado does?

a non competitive 2019?

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

a non competitive 2019?

Or simply put, a different plan.  Once again, they can upgrade in other places and wait a year for Arrenado 

[Lou]

18 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Or simply put, a different plan.  Once again, they can upgrade in other places and wait a year for Arrenado 

when has a strategy of waiting until a big name player becomes a free agent ever worked out for us? 

[floplag]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

when has a strategy of waiting until a big name player becomes a free agent ever worked out for us? 

it always works for those who value prospects over wins   

[Stradling]

Just now, Lou said:

when has a strategy of waiting until a big name player becomes a free agent ever worked out for us? 

Around the same time as putting all of your eggs in one off season plan has worked out for us.  Which is basically what a lot of these posts are about.

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Around the same time as putting all of your eggs in one off season plan has worked out for us.  Which is basically what a lot of these posts are about.

I'm talking about what has actually occurred, not what guys on a message board propose. 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, floplag said:

it always works for those who value prospects over wins   

This is silly because we will NEVER know what trades could have happened, we only know about the ones that happen.  Even the trade that would have brought us Miguel Cabrera how many different names have we seen in that rumor?  Aybar, Howie, Mathis, Santana, Wood, Adenhart and I am sure I am missing some.  We have a thread on here where someone calls out the Angels for not trading for Yellich, we have zero idea if we made a strong offer for him.  What I do know is we didn’t have the 13th ranked prospect in baseball which is what they got for him, plus 3 more guys. 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

I'm talking about what has actually occurred, not what guys on a message board propose. 

Which is exactly what my previous post was about.  But playing that out Lou, we have no idea if the Angels are just waiting a year for someone, that again is just message board chatter.  

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Which is exactly what my previous post was about.  But playing that out Lou, we have no idea if the Angels are just waiting a year for someone, that again is just message board chatter.  

when did we head into an offseason with a plan that put all of our eggs in one basket?