The unofficial "Trump's cabinet" thread

[RallyMo]

33 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Maybe you should look again.

Oh, I looked. You didn't. It's OK, man.

[Make Angels Great Again]

[InsideThePark]

Nikki Haley is supposedly under consideration for SoS. Seems like that would be a good appointment - far better than anyone else who's been mentioned.

[Docwaukee]

1 hour ago, InsideThePark said:

Nikki Haley is supposedly under consideration for SoS. Seems like that would be a good appointment - far better than anyone else who's been mentioned.

not a chance.  

As governor, in 2016, Haley received extensive press coverage for saying the phrase "bless your heart" in response to an attack by GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.^{[68][69][70][71]} Trump had attacked her on Twitter for her call for him to release his tax records.^[72]

[arch stanton]

Floating names like Haley sounds a lot like floating names for a potential 2020 ticket. She checks a lot of boxes.

[RallyMo]

23 hours ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Here we go baby, time to go to school.

 

 

Lastly, i'll leave you with this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-deutsch/no-donald-trump-isnt-a-ra_b_10417888.html

In before "hur dur I bet he believes the stuff he says."

I look forward to your well thought out response.

Here's your well thought out response:

That's not a refutation of the judge case at all. It's the work of convenient simpletonism. Deutsch completely ignores other accepted definitions of racism and uses the most basic definition only. Since when is the simple definition provided by the box you see result after a mere Google search the definitive definition of a word? Go ahead and use m-w, Bing, Oxford et al and you get a definition that defines Trump to be acting in a racist manner in the judge case. Secondly, it totally misses the point and creates an argument that's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't matter how Trump sees others vis a vis himself, it matters that he's prejudging anybody on the basis of their race.

There's racial prejudice involved. That's racism. Look up the word racial. Look up the word prejudice. Put them together.

That's racist.

hur dur

[Docwaukee]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannon-illegally-paid-via-movie-company-watchdog-044658966.html

maybe this fuels my conspiracy theory that Bannon was selected knowing that he was going to have to step down.  Probably wishful thinking as I am sure he'll get a pass on this somehow, but it's interesting that the appointments have stalled out the last few days.  

maybe they are waiting to see if this sticks before they hand out any more lollipops.  

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 hour ago, RallyMo said:

Here's your well thought out response:

That's not a refutation of the judge case at all. It's the work of convenient simpletonism. Deutsch completely ignores other accepted definitions of racism and uses the most basic definition only. Since when is the simple definition provided by the box you see result after a mere Google search the definitive definition of a word? Go ahead and use m-w, Bing, Oxford et al and you get a definition that defines Trump to be acting in a racist manner in the judge case. Secondly, it totally misses the point and creates an argument that's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't matter how Trump sees others vis a vis himself, it matters that he's prejudging anybody on the basis of their race.

There's racial prejudice involved. That's racism. Look up the word racial. Look up the word prejudice. Put them together.

That's racist.

hur dur

 

Let me put it this way in the judge case. Trump is very polarized in the Mexican/hispanic community. Some love him but a lot hate him and think he's racist. The judge is human, bias is inescapable sometimes. Trump said he could be biased against him because of Trump's stance on immigration, considering the fact that the judge in question had ruled that illegal aliens must be given in-state tuition. So off the bat the judge has reason to dislike Trump. Yeah, judges are supposed to be neutral but that doesn't mean they always are. Suggesting that there is a possible conflict there is not racist.

 

" I further accept that our experiences as women and people of color affect our decisions. The aspiration to impartiality is just that--it's an aspiration because it denies the fact that we are by our experiences making different choices than others. Not all women or people of color, in all or some circumstances or indeed in any particular case or circumstance but enough people of color in enough cases, will make a difference in the process of judging. " - Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States

[Docwaukee]

so he's not a racist but apparently he thinks she could be an anti-trumpite?  

[arch stanton]

The judge is not Mexican. The judge is American and bound by the laws of the USA. If we had to scramble to find a judge from a group that Trump hasn't badmouthed or pissed off every time he went to court it would be impossible to get a case through the system.

[Docwaukee]

22 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

The judge is not Mexican. The judge is American and bound by the laws of the USA. If we had to scramble to find a judge from a group that Trump hasn't badmouthed or pissed off every time he went to court it would be impossible to get a case through the system.

but in the spirit of how the law works in our country, wouldn't it make sense that his legal team would try to get her dismissed?  

[arch stanton]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

but in the spirit of how the law works in our country, wouldn't it make sense that his legal team would try to get her dismissed?  

Maybe it makes sense but they'd have to come with something stronger than his words to disqualify her.

[Brandon]

i like how some people think each individual position is going to make dictatorship-like decisions and freaking out, like there isn't a process or checks and balances.

[Taylor]

10 hours ago, Dochalo said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannon-illegally-paid-via-movie-company-watchdog-044658966.html

maybe this fuels my conspiracy theory that Bannon was selected knowing that he was going to have to step down.  Probably wishful thinking as I am sure he'll get a pass on this somehow, but it's interesting that the appointments have stalled out the last few days.  

maybe they are waiting to see if this sticks before they hand out any more lollipops.  

Something something Hillary.

[Jay]

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i like how some people think each individual position is going to make dictatorship-like decisions and freaking out, like there isn't a process or checks and balances.

A lot of it is just Democrat "noise" facilitated by the media that has a corrosive effect over time. The Republicans did the same thing with Obama so it's nothing new. Of course when Republicans criticized Obama it was called RACISM and in this case it's something else but the effect is the same.

 

 

[red321]

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

Here we go baby, time to go to school.

You're going to school? Good for you. 

By the way...good call deleting your defense of the Judge Curiel statements by trying to parse the differences between racism and bigotry.

 

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. 

1- the policies were put in place by Fred Trump.

2- You're reaching back 43 years, lol, the entire country was much different back then sadly.

Donald was President of the company at the time they were sued and was in no apparently hurry to change policies you seem to think were the sole responsibility of his father.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

he turned the lawsuit into a protracted battle, complete with angry denials, character assassination, charges that the government was trying to force him to rent to “welfare recipients” and a $100 million countersuit accusing the Justice Department of defamation.... But an investigation by The New York Times — drawing on decades-old files from the New York City Commission on Human Rights, internal Justice Department records, court documents and interviews with tenants, civil rights activists and prosecutors — uncovered a long history of racial bias at his family’s properties, in New York and beyond.

I must admit I got a little chuckle out of someone wanting to Make America Great Again proclaiming a statute of limitations on racist policies

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• 989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching

The five men all admitted to wrong doing in corroborated stories. Trump definitely tends to err on the side of the police, doesn't make him racist.

The five men admitted to wrongdoing in what was later determined to be coerced confessions by a police department that was intent on finding them guilty...as was later determined in the $40million+ settlement with the city. In what has been a pattern Donald used fear and stereotypes (without presenting all the facts or waiting until all the facts were known) to stoke anger and fear and to this day continues to ignore all evidence showing they were not guilty. If you want to argue this is not based on racism, but rather poor judgement and fear mongering...sure.

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1 - catering to wealthy clients isn't racist (sure, his request was racist though)

2 - This is all going off one guy's word, Kip Brown. Can't condemn a guy as racist by one dude's hear say.

I guess we could be happy his wealthy client wasn't requesting other unsavory things...oh, and I know it's tough to keep track of...but Kip Brown was the person who reported black dealers were removed from the floor when Donald and Ivana showed up. The fine above is a wholly separate incident with multiple witnesses.

Libutti, a race horse broker, lost millions of dollars in Atlantic City. Witnesses testified that managers at several casinos would transfer both black and women dealers to other tables.A two-judge panel said most of the witnesses for the Trump Plaza were high-ranking executives who had 'an identity of interest' with the casino, while many of those who testified for the Division of Gaming Enforcement were current employees who were risking their jobs by testifying against their employer.

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/10/19/Trump-Plaza-loses-appeal-of-discrimination-penalty/1911719467200/

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• 2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. 

1 - It's racist when its against Obama, but literally the same thing was said about Ted Cruz and nobody claimed racism.

2 - if you think that's racist then Hillary's campaign in 2008 must have been also for spreading a certain picture. Right?

The questions regarding Ted Cruz were because he was actually born in Canada (and in large part driven by Donald Trump). They didn't result in Donald "hiring investigators" to demand proof that Ted Cruz was an American. Pretty sure you can discern the differences between those two. If you want to argue the birther movement wasn't based on racism, feel free...but bringing up Ted Cruz doesn't get you there.

Yes, the photo the Hillary campaign used was racist. Don't seem to recall her hiring investigators to try and get to the bottom of Obama in traditional African garb, but either way...not sure what your point is outside of trying to deflect.

 

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, "I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?"

Typical mud slinging. Nothing about race.

It's not typical mud slinging to imply that the president wasn't a good enough student and only got into Columbia or Harvard because he was a minority or falsified his transcripts and therefore the beneficiary of "affirmative action"....especially when the people he "heard" this from were right wing websites pushing birther conspiracies and the like. Rumors were that Bush was a terrible student...Trump wasn't posting videos offering 5 million dollars to provide his transcripts.

 

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• Trump launched his campaign calling Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime" and "bringing drugs" to the US. His campaign is largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.

Mexico is a country loaded with all kinds of terrible crime. I don't think anyone will argue that. By allowing illegal immigrants from Mexico to pour into the country by the millions a lot of those criminals are coming over that wouldn't have otherwise been allowed through the proper channels. And Mexico is doing absolutely nothing to stop it. That's all he was trying to say. Sometimes you need to read between the lines instead of taking your spoon fed propaganda from CNN.

Using racial/ethnic stereotypes to create fear and forward your position is bigotry...pure and simple (maybe this is where you can re include your comments about how it wasn't racism because Mexicans aren't a separate race). He didn't talk about immigrants, he talked about Mexican immigrants specifically. In this, and other discussions on this topic he states that Mexico is specifically sending rapists, murderers, and criminals, with no supporting documentation. When talking about crime, he repeatedly trots tropes about immigrants including using parents who had children as victims. This was done to inflame racial tensions.

ps. It should also be noted first generation immigrants are less likely to commit crime, when presented with that fact Trump's response is...well someone is doing the raping.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• He called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. He has since expanded this ban to include anyone from specific countries, including possibly France and Germany.

5 previous presidents have temporarily restricted certain classes of immigrants from being allowed into the country to protect its citizens. Those five are Obama, Dubya, CLINTON, Reagan, and Carter. Trump suggests the same thing and it's now racist.

Those 5 presidents didn't call for a ban on all people from a specific religion. Clear differences between the two.

For example, Obama...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/16/the-past-six-presidents-have-all-used-executive-power-to-block-certain-classes-of-immigrants/

In July 2011, Obama barred the entry of “anyone under a UN travel ban; anyone who violates any of 29 executive orders regarding transactions with terrorists, those who undermine the democratic process in specific countries, or transnational criminal organizations.”

GW

In January 2004, he signed an order“barring entry for public officials who solicit or accept bribes in exchange for any act or omission in their public duties that has serious adverse effects on the national interests of the U.S.; anyone who provides or offers to provide such a bribe; any current or former public official whose misappropriation of public funds or interference with public processes has had serious adverse effects on the national interests of the U.S.; or the immediate families.”

CLINTON

For example, in May of 1994 Clinton signed an order “barring entry for members of the Haitian military, their immediate families, any major participants in the coup d’état of 1991.”

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweets messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

Give me a break. He disavowed as soon as he found out who he was being asked to disavow. Multiple times.

I think the more interesting question is why does he follow and keep retweeting messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis. For example...the Star of David you highlight as just some Clipart. It was an image that originated on neo-Nazi/white supremacist website. This wasn't done once...or twice...but he repeatedly retweeted items that originated from white nationalist sources.

 

On 11/15/2016 at 9:03 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

• In a pitch to black voters, Trump said, "You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?"

No racism here either. He's saying ghetto neighborhoods are unsafe, blacks are unable to get jobs, and their communities have shitty schools. All true. Stop the presses!!

This again falls into the fear and stereotype category. He's building an image of the worst stereotypes of the inner city and black communities. While the poverty and unemployment rates are higher than corresponding white communities, they are nowhere near what he was stating. There are plenty of communities in poorer white areas, like the Appalachians, that he didn't describe in such harrowing terms. He wasn't standing in poorer white communities decimated by Opioid addiction and declaring them hell holes.  Feel free to read a more detailed pants on fire accounting of those statements. I also found it amusing that for the most part Trump wasn't making these statements in inner city areas, but rather in front of primarily white audiences in suburban and rural areas. So, in essence he's making a "pitch" to black voters by standing in front of white voters highlighting racial fears and stereotypes about the ghetto.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/22/donald-trump/trumps-pants-fire-claim-blacks-are-absolutely-wors/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

Some impressive mental gymnastics there Red that you have to take to get the facts to back up your view.

And politifact is garbage, largely biased. I'm waiting for them to come out and say "Donald Trump said he would take no salary as President. On 60 minutes he said he would take $1 per year. We rate his claim pants on fire."

[red321]

yeah...walking away is probably your best bet at this point...laugh...you can't call him a racist for that...that's bigotry.

Thanks for clearing up how a Sanders supporter can turn around and support Trump.

[Jason]

33 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Some impressive mental gymnastics there Red that you have to take to get the facts to back up your view.

And politifact is garbage, largely biased. I'm waiting for them to come out and say "Donald Trump said he would take no salary as President. On 60 minutes he said he would take $1 per year. We rate his claim pants on fire."

He did say he wouldn't take a single penny so $1 is 100 pennies. That's a huge percentage increase so definitely "Pants on Fire"

[Make Angels Great Again]

48 minutes ago, red321 said:

yeah...walking away is probably your best bet at this point...laugh...you can't call him a racist for that...that's bigotry.

Thanks for clearing up how a Sanders supporter can turn around and support Trump.

 

No, I just don't see the point in continuing to debate with you on the matter. It's clear you have your mind made up, so what's the point?

Enjoy your participation ribbon.

[Blarg]

You both need a full time job.

[red321]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/trump-transition-meetings-abe/

 

[Kevin]

Romney calls Trump a con artist

Trump calls Romney a two time loser. 

One is President and the other is his potential Secretary of State. 

I haven't been this confused since.....Trump won the presidency last week. 

[Adam]

All of these people are soulless. I bet Trump and Hillary will enjoy some tea together next week while Bill bangs Melania

[Docwaukee]

Mike Flynn asked to be National Security Adviser.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/michael-flynn-national-security-adviser-donald-trump.html