The Official Los Angeles Angels 2017 Minor League Statlines & Prospects thread

[Angel Oracle]

33 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

In 12 games so far Adell is killing it no?

3 homers, .341 Avg, .636 SLG and a 1.019 OPS

Or does everyone and their dog hit in this league?

Time to promote Adell to Orem in a couple of weeks?

[Chuck]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Time to promote Adell to Orem in a couple of weeks?

They just won the first half, so we may see him soon. 

I'd like to see him play in the field, but not if it's going to aggravate an injury he's nursing. 

Scouts have already touted him on defense, in both range and throwing arm so I think we're good there.

[totdprods]

Tuesday, July 25, 2017:
Salt Lake (54-59) lost 2 to 3 to Memphis (67-35)
David Fletcher: 0-4, 2 K
Jefry Marte: 0-4, 2 K
Carlos Perez: 0-4
Bo Way: 2-3, 2 RBI, K, SB (6)
Daniel Wright: 6.1 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 5 K, HR
Deolis Guerra: 1.2 IP, K -  Guerra is aboslutely rolling. In SLC, 24.2 IP, 1.09 ERA, .161 BAA, 0.69 WHIP, 3 walks to 23 strikeouts

Mobile (43-56) lost 4 to 10 to Jackson (53-48)
Troy Montgomery: 0-4, BB, K
Matt Thaiss: 1-3, RBI, BB, K
Taylor Ward: 0-2, 2 BB, K
Jose Rojas (2B): 1-4, 2B, 2 RBI, E (2)
Forrestt Allday: 1-2, 2 R, 2B, 2 BB
Jaime Barria - 4.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, K, HR - starting to go through some AA growing pains - last 4 starts, 6.41 ERA, .345 BAA, 1.68 WHIP

Inland Empire (48-54) won 8 to 3 over Lake Elsinore (48-54)
Jahmai Jones: 1-5, R, 2B, RBI, 2 K
Brennon Lund: 2-4, 2 RBI, 2 K, SB (4)
Austin Robichaux: 6.2 IP, 3 H, ER, 3 BB, 5 K, HR
Guys to watch...
Jordan Zimmerman: 3-5, K - after a pedestrian stint in Burlington, Zimmerman has been red-hot in A+. Prospect stock once again rising.
Jack Kruger: 2-5, RBI, K - a catcher that impressed in ST; he's been throw right into clean-up for Inland Empire
Michael Barash: 1-5, HR (7), RBI, R, K - another solid catching prospect
Connor Justus: 1-3, 2B, 2 R, 2 BB - he's come alive in July, .333/.390/.440/.830 in 19 games
Jared Walsh: 3-4, 2 R, 2 2B, RBI - demoted after a rough start in Movbile, now up to .303/.380/.541/.921 in Inland Empire

Orem Owlz (24-11) lost 3 to 4 in 11 innings to Billings (18-17)
Leonardo Rivas: 1-4, 2 BB, R, E (6)
Spencer Griffin: 2-6, 3B, RBI, SB (1)
Torii Hunter: 0-3, BB, 2 K
Edrick Agosto: 5 IP, 3 H, ER, 3 K

AZL Angels (13-11) lost 2 to 5 to AZL Reds (10-14)
Jacob Pearson: 1-4, BB, K
Jordon Adell: 1-4, 2B, BB, K
Nonie Williams: 1-5, RBI, 2 K, E (2)
Jimmy Barnes: 1-4, 2B
Jose Soriano: 5 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, BB, 3 K
Jerryell Rivera: 1 IP, K




 

[Docwaukee]

2 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

The ball carries in Arizona but oddly enough it doesn't necessarily play hitter friendly in rookie ball. For many of these kids, it's their first time playing against "good" competition and they are overwhelmed. That's why it's so heavily scouted and structured, because teams want to know what they have while at the same time allowing players to develop and giving them a chance to succeed.

So the fact that Adell is hitting with power tells us that the biggest concern regarding Adell before the draft (how he would perform against good competition) has since been silenced. 

The Arizona Fall League on the other hand can play toward hitters in a major way. They're established, and that dry air offers very little resistance gains a ball driven properly, in the same way the D-Backs play in pretty hitter friendly confines.

sorry to be like this, but dry air is actually more dense than humid air and the ball doesn't travel as far when the air is dry.  Air temp and pressure also affect.  High temp decreases air density (probably the reason the ball travels further in az).  Pressure is related to altitude.  Higher altitude = lower pressure etc.  

Marine layer - cool, humid air but the coolness outweighs the humidity in terms of it's effect.  

[Stradling]

3 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

MLB.com had Julio Garcia "scouted" before he ever played a game, but somehow they can't do it for Deveaux and Knowles? 

Deveaux is easily rankable, at least from a preliminary standpoint. MLBPA and owners tried to structure international signings to mirror draft bonuses. It isn't perfect, but it's a starting point. Deveaux's bonus would put him square in the second round of the draft.

So you can slot him between Canning and Pearson, our second and third round picks. Pearson is supposed to be the better hitter, but lacks defensive skills.Deveaux is supposed to be the better all around player with more upside. 

It puts Deveaux right around 10.

As for where Deveaux is, the Angels told him he'll be going straight to their ST complex in Arizona and that he'll play there, probably at the instructs I'm guessing. It doesn't sound like he'll spend any time in the DSL.

How often are guys from the Bahamas scouted?  

[ettin]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

sorry to be like this, but dry air is actually more dense than humid air and the ball doesn't travel as far when the air is dry.  Air temp and pressure also affect.  High temp decreases air density (probably the reason the ball travels further in az).  Pressure is related to altitude.  Higher altitude = lower pressure etc.  

Marine layer - cool, humid air but the coolness outweighs the humidity in terms of it's effect.  

Dry air has more Nitrogen (N2) and Oxygen(O2) while humid air has Oxygen (O) and Hydrogen (H2). The former is about 55% and 77% heavier (molecular weight to be precise) than the latter, respectively. The hotter the temperature gets the more the molecules get excited and the less dense a cubic foot of dry or humid air becomes. The lower the elevation the greater the pressure as Doc indicated above.

This is part of the reason it is much easier to launch rockets from a place like Colorado where the elevation is higher. It is less distance to low earth orbit and the air pressure is lower which creates less drag on the rocket and requires a bit less fuel consumption. Notably they launch in lower elevations out of Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg Air Force Base because the former allows rockets easy access to most equatorial orbits (for GPS satellites as an example) while the latter is better for polar orbits (imaging satellites). Both sites are near water so the danger to the public is significantly reduced over a hypothetical site in Colorado, allowing rockets to "go down range" over the sea (sorry I went off on a tangent and didn't have the heart to erase it to stay on point).

[Inside Pitch]

55 minutes ago, ettin said:

Dry air has more Nitrogen (N2) and Oxygen(O2) while humid air has Oxygen (O) and Hydrogen (H2). The former is about 55% and 77% heavier (molecular weight to be precise) than the latter, respectively. The hotter the temperature gets the more the molecules get excited and the less dense a cubic foot of dry or humid air becomes. The lower the elevation the greater the pressure as Doc indicated above.

This is part of the reason it is much easier to launch rockets from a place like Colorado where the elevation is higher. It is less distance to low earth orbit and the air pressure is lower which creates less drag on the rocket and requires a bit less fuel consumption. Notably they launch in lower elevations out of Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg Air Force Base because the former allows rockets easy access to most equatorial orbits (for GPS satellites as an example) while the latter is better for polar orbits (imaging satellites). Both sites are near water so the danger to the public is significantly reduced over a hypothetical site in Colorado, allowing rockets to "go down range" over the sea (sorry I went off on a tangent and didn't have the heart to erase it to stay on point).

It's almost like you're a rocket scientist....  (I still LOL at that every time I think about it)

[Second Base]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

sorry to be like this, but dry air is actually more dense than humid air and the ball doesn't travel as far when the air is dry.  Air temp and pressure also affect.  High temp decreases air density (probably the reason the ball travels further in az).  Pressure is related to altitude.  Higher altitude = lower pressure etc.  

Marine layer - cool, humid air but the coolness outweighs the humidity in terms of it's effect.  

You guys jumped into an area of science that was not my speciality. I only go off experience. The dry air areas I played in always played as a launching pad growing up, and the areas near lakes, rivers and the ocean never played up as well. I played a couple tournaments in Reno and Vegas be both were jokes, particularly Reno, where that ball would just cut through the dry air.

[Docwaukee]

40 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

It's almost like you're a rocket scientist....  (I still LOL at that every time I think about it)

seriously.  

'what are you a rocket scientist?'

'uh.  yeah'

[Inside Pitch]

22 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

seriously.  

'what are you a rocket scientist?'

'uh.  yeah'

Almost how it went down -- We were going back and forth discussing something like always and I made the comment - "well you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that....."    Given we had always had very cordial debates but also being aware I can be a snarky SOB, he sent me PM asking me what the intent was behind the comment..  And that was how Robert and I told each other about our career choices...  LOL...    

Thanks to his gracious nature no insults were hurled in either direction..

Doc...  Please tell me you're a brain surgeon..  Cause..  well, that would make this all the funnier...

[ettin]

22 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Almost how it went down -- We were going back and forth discussing something like always and I made the comment - "well you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that....."    Given we had always had very cordial debates but also being aware I can be a snarky SOB, he sent me PM asking me what the intent was behind the comment..  And that was how Robert and I told each other about our career choices...  LOL...    

Thanks to his gracious nature no insults were hurled in either direction..

Doc...  Please tell me you're a brain surgeon..  Cause..  well, that would make this all the funnier...

With the way this season is going the Angels really need a pain management specialist tbh.

[Docwaukee]

3 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Almost how it went down -- We were going back and forth discussing something like always and I made the comment - "well you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that....."    Given we had always had very cordial debates but also being aware I can be a snarky SOB, he sent me PM asking me what the intent was behind the comment..  And that was how Robert and I told each other about our career choices...  LOL...    

Thanks to his gracious nature no insults were hurled in either direction..

Doc...  Please tell me you're a brain surgeon..  Cause..  well, that would make this all the funnier...

fortunately no.  

[Angelsjunky]

If Dochalo is a brain surgeon, I don't know why he insisted on cupping my balls when I went in to see him.

[NachoPop]

23 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

If Dochalo is a brain surgeon, I don't know why he insisted on cupping my balls when I went in to see him.

Your balls are sometimes considered your brain.....

[Chuck]

On 7/24/2017 at 8:35 PM, tdawg87 said:

I love how the "Overall" rating for Adell is 50. 

I just got here. What happened??

[Second Base]

10 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I just got here. What happened??

MLB sucked again, that's all. 

[Second Base]

Andrew Heaney with 4 innings and 7 K's tonight.  He might only need 3-4 more starts. 

[Angelsjunky]

Heaney is like a $20 bill you find in a pair of jeans you haven't worn in months.

A few other random thoughts...

Brennon Lund is quietly having a great year. His numbers in A+ (.339/.400/.444 in 40 games) are almost exactly the same as in A (.306/.400/.428 in 46 games). Seems like a promotion to AA is in order.

I just can't bring myself to be excited about Nonie Williams. I know he's young and a bit of a project, but he just seems so raw and I'm wondering if we'll ever start seeing signs of progress.

How could Dipoto have been so wrong about Roberto Baldoquin? He's holding his own in A ball, but only just barely - and as a 23 year old, which is almost two years above average for the Midwest League. The guy is a dud and I'd really be surprised to see him get more than a cup of coffee in the majors.

[Lou]

9 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

If Dochalo is a brain surgeon, I don't know why he insisted on cupping my balls when I went in to see him.

don't even get me started on the finger thing he does 

[totdprods]

Thursday, July 26, 2017:
Salt Lake (54-50) lost 4 to 5 in 13 innings to Memphis (68-35)
David Fletcher: 2-6, R, BB
Ramon Flores: 3-4, 2B, R, BB
Jefry Marte: 1-6, RBI, R, K
Sherman Johnson: 1-5, HR (3), RBI, BB, R, E (2)
Bo Way: 2-6, 3 K
Osmer Morales: 4 IP, 3 H, 2 ER 3 BB, 4 K, HR
Adam Hofacket: 1 IP, H 
Mike Morin: 2.1 IP, H, 3 K
Jason Gurka: 2 IP, H, BB, 3 K - since joining SLC - 21.2 IP, 2.08 ERA, .227 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 7 walks to 24 K, lefty reliever, lefties hitting.190 against him

Mobile (43-57) lost 1 to 5 to Jackson (54-48)
Troy Montgomery: 1-4, K
Matt Thaiss:  1-4
Taylor Ward: 1-3, K
Jose Rojas (2B): 0-4, K
Zach Houchins: 2-4, 2B
Jake Jewell: 5 IP, 5 H 3 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, HR 
Connor Lillis-White: 2 IP, 4 BB, 2 K - his batting average against is now down to .100 in 30.2 IP in AA, only 10 hits allowed.

Inland Empire (49-54) won 4 to 3 over Lake Elsinore (48-55)
Jahmai Jones: 0-5, R, K
Brennon Lund: 1-5, 2 K, SB (5)
Jordan Zimmerman: 2-5, 2B, RBI, K
Jack Kruger: 2-4, R, K
Michael Barash: 1-4, 2B, R, 2 RBI
Jared Walsh: 2-4, 2 K
Jesus Castillo: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, BB, 6 K

Burlington (44-56) vs. Wisconsin (39-60) postponed due to rain

Orem (24-11) tied Billings (18-17) 9 to 9 in 6 innings
Leonardo Rivas: 0-3, R, 2 K
Spencer Griffin: 2-4, 2B, R, RBI, 2 K
Brandon Sandoval: 2-3, 2 R, RBI, BB, K, E (1)
Harrison Wenson: 2-3, HR (6), 3 RBI, R, BB, K, E (5)
Manuel Guzman: 2-4, RBI
Torii Hunter: 1-3, 2B, R
Chris Rodriguez: 1.1 IP, 5 H, 7 R< 6 ER, BB, 2 K

AZL Angels (14-11) won 4 to 1 over AZL Cubs (8-18)
Jacob Pearson: 1-4, R, K
Jordon Adell: 1-3, 2 RBI, pinch-hit for in 8th inning
Nonie Williams: 1-4, 2B, RBI, 3 K
Andrew Heaney: 4.2 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 7 K - in AZL, 3 GS, 10.1 IP, 1.74 ERA, .268 BAA, 1.16 WHIP, 1 BB to 15 K
Wilkel Hernandez: 4 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 6 K - 18 years old, 6'3" Venezuelan - 23.1 IP, 1.54 ERA, .156 BAA, 0.86 WHIP, 8 BB to 18 K

DSL Angels (20-24) won 3 to 1 over DSL Nationals (17-28)
Tulio Santa Maria: 5 IP, 2 H, 3 K - 17 years old, 6'4" - 3.97 ERA in 34 IP, .273 BAA, 1.41 WHIP, 15 BB to 24 K
Emilker Guzman: 3 IP, 2 H, ER, 2 K - 24.1 IP, 1.11 ERA, .189 BAA, 0.99 WHIP, 7 BB to 17 K
Kiber Arvelaez: 1 IP, 2 K - 23 IP, 1.17 ERA, .221 BAA, 1.04 WHIP, 7 BB to 22 K
I really just wanted to type out those names more than anything.

[tdawg87]

Have Pearson or Nonie Williams ever gotten more than 1 hit in a game? It seems like every game they're both 1-4.

[Second Base]

2 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Heaney is like a $20 bill you find in a pair of jeans you haven't worn in months.

A few other random thoughts...

Brennon Lund is quietly having a great year. His numbers in A+ (.339/.400/.444 in 40 games) are almost exactly the same as in A (.306/.400/.428 in 46 games). Seems like a promotion to AA is in order.

I just can't bring myself to be excited about Nonie Williams. I know he's young and a bit of a project, but he just seems so raw and I'm wondering if we'll ever start seeing signs of progress.

How could Dipoto have been so wrong about Roberto Baldoquin? He's holding his own in A ball, but only just barely - and as a 23 year old, which is almost two years above average for the Midwest League. The guy is a dud and I'd really be surprised to see him get more than a cup of coffee in the majors.

Nonie is a lotto ticket, and before last year, we didn't have any of those, so it's very exciting. I read somewhere that he had the best bat speed in the draft, and given his speed and power....

If everything breaks right, Nonie can be the infield version of Jo Adell. This isn't likely, but the possibility is at least there. You can't say that about others.

[Second Base]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Have Pearson or Nonie Williams ever gotten more than 1 hit in a game? It seems like every game they're both 1-4.

I can foresee a lot of multi-hit games from Pearson in the future. Beautiful swing and he's heating up. 

[totdprods]

47 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Have Pearson or Nonie Williams ever gotten more than 1 hit in a game? It seems like every game they're both 1-4.

They're still very young, raw, and incomplete players. Yes, they were taken at higher rounds and have more expectations, and yes, similar players like Adell are producing, but at their root they're still just teenagers playing a game. 

Scouts saw the tools, work ethic, makeup, athleticism, whatever that stood out from others and those same skills can develop or come together very quickly, and that's why they were taken so high. And yeah, some will bust, but it's too early to put expectations on those guys. 

[Stax]

I do not know why Connor Justus is so highly rated defensively. I have been to around 20 or so 66ers games and seen Justus make numerous errors, mental mistakes, bobble routine double plays balls and get only one out. His hitting is not much better, but he has hit some nice home runs.   

I am high on Brennon Lund, he can absolutely hit. Jesus Castillo has a chance to be at least a mid-rotation starter.