The Official Los Angeles Angels 2017 Minor League Statlines & Prospects thread

[ettin]

On 7/14/2017 at 11:07 PM, Dochalo said:

he's still gonna need an off speed pitch.  Parker turned a corner when he got one he could throw for strikes.  It's good to see he's been successful, but honestly kinda bummed with that repertoire.  Gonna be a tough go to get that to translate.  The good news for Isaac is that I think I said similar things about Barria.  And I thought Bedrosian would be a bust.  And Ettin told me about Parker's skills and I didn't believe him.  And I was excited about Morin when he first came up.  And I thought Michael Kohn was the man.  Michael friggn Kohn.  

Predicting who is going to be good at baseball is like trying to predict who is going to win a golf tournament from week to week.  

Speaking of Mr. Kohn he was just picked up by the Twins on a Minor League contract: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/minor-mlb-transactions-72117.html

[Angelsjunky]

33 minutes ago, Scotty@AW said:

Since this is all about where they project to be, I think you can put Hunter in tier B and Deveaux in tier A.

I haven't watched Hunter play, but I'm skeptical. He's pretty much a league average performer as a 22 year old in the Pioneer League. The average Pioneer League hitter is 20.7 years old and hitting .287/.369/.448. Hunter Jr is 22 and hitting 307/.366/.387, so he's actually slightly below average and 1.3 yrs older. I know this is his first year in pro ball, but still.

[Second Base]

23 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I haven't watched Hunter play, but I'm skeptical. He's pretty much a league average performer as a 22 year old in the Pioneer League. The average Pioneer League hitter is 20.7 years old and hitting .287/.369/.448. Hunter Jr is 22 and hitting 307/.366/.387, so he's actually slightly below average and 1.3 yrs older. I know this is his first year in pro ball, but still.

From what I understand, Hunter really wasn't on a baseball scholarship at Notre Dame as much as it was a legitimate football scholarship (they felt he was capable of playing professionally in some capacity), and that he was allowed to play baseball as more of a nod to his father. He practiced, worked out with the team but played less than even the subs did. 

There's a probability that Torii Jr. was doing it as more of something to keep him active during the offseason.

In essence, he took three years off from baseball. What if an 18 year old kid picked up a bat for the first time since he was 15 and was expected to be playing in the AZL? What if that 18 year old hit .300 there, having not picked up a bat since 15? And what if this 18 year old also had the athleticism to be a starting WR for one of the biggest colleges in America? 

We'd be going crazy over this kid. This is Hunter at age 22. But we don't know where he'll be at age 25. He could turn into as good of a player as his dad was. I'm not saying he will, but the fact that he has that upside in him....

That makes Torii Jr. a fringe Top 30 prospect to me.

[oater]

27 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I haven't watched Hunter play, but I'm skeptical. He's pretty much a league average performer as a 22 year old in the Pioneer League. The average Pioneer League hitter is 20.7 years old and hitting .287/.369/.448. Hunter Jr is 22 and hitting 307/.366/.387, so he's actually slightly below average and 1.3 yrs older. I know this is his first year in pro ball, but still.

If you are not aware, for practical purposes, this is the first year Torii Jr. has played organized baseball in 4 years.  He concentrated on football at Notre Dame.  While he technically was on the baseball team for 2 years, he had less than 20 AB.  Under the circumstances, he has performed at an extremely high level at Orem.

[Angelsjunky]

Yeah, I get all that - which is why I agree that he's a bit of a sleeper. I can also buy that he deserves to be in tier 2, but I'd like to see how he does next year. The flip side of what you guys are saying is that he's lost very crucial developmental time. Sometimes a super athletic kid can do well in Rookie ball, but if they don't have refined skills will usually stall out sometime in the A to AA range. I don't think this is necessarily the case with Torii Jr, but I'd like to see more before I get excited about him.

 

 

[Second Base]

18 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yeah, I get all that - which is why I agree that he's a bit of a sleeper. I can also buy that he deserves to be in tier 2, but I'd like to see how he does next year. The flip side of what you guys are saying is that he's lost very crucial developmental time. Sometimes a super athletic kid can do well in Rookie ball, but if they don't have refined skills will usually stall out sometime in the A to AA range. I don't think this is necessarily the case with Torii Jr, but I'd like to see more before I get excited about him.

 

 

Yeah I thought about that too, and at first I was with you, that 18-21 year old range, he lost a ton of developmental time.  But eventually I came to the conclusion that it probably isn't as big of a deal in his case as it seems.  

Let's pretend for a moment that Torii was drafted and signed by the Angels as a senior coming out of high school, and he developed one level per year.  19 at Orem, 20 in A Ball, 21 in the Cal League, 22 in AA, 23 in AAA and 24 in the majors.  The Angels controlling years of Hunter in the big leagues would be between ages 24-30.  That's a great range of years to have!

Now let's look at Torii now if he develops one level per year.  22 in Orem, 23 in A Ball, 24 in the Cal League, 25 in AA, 26 in AAA and 27 in the majors.  The Angels would have control over Hunter's 27-33, which is still a pretty awesome time to have control over him as he's still in his prime.

So I concluded that the difference between Hunter age 24-30 and Hunter age 27-33 wouldn't be significant.  So we should treat him like any other prospect, just later coming to the game.  I don't believe Torii will go one year at a time if he sticks with baseball, he'd probably go to Advanced A Ball next year at 23, AA at 24 and AAA and the majors at 25 (if he makes it), by which time we'd control ages 25-31, still pretty good. 

[Docwaukee]

If Hunter is going to make it, he's likely going to advance more quickly than a level per year because of his age.  Part of the reason why guys who are 18 take time to develop isn't just the experience, but the physical maturity.  If he's progressing at the same rate as someone who's 3 years younger then something is likely wrong.  3 years of pro ball should give us an indication of whether we'll see him on a major league field everyday.  .

 

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6 hours ago, Dochalo said:

If Hunter is going to make it, he's likely going to advance more quickly than a level per year because of his age.  Part of the reason why guys who are 18 take time to develop isn't just the experience, but the physical maturity.  If he's progressing at the same rate as someone who's 3 years younger then something is likely wrong.  3 years of pro ball should give us an indication of whether we'll see him on a major league field everyday.  .

 

That's what I said!

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Friday, July 21st, 2017:
Salt Lake (53-46) won 7 to 4 over Albuquerque (50-49)
David Fletcher (playing SS): 2-3, 2 R, 2B
Kaleb Cowart (playing 2B): 2-4, 2 R, GS HR (11), SB (19)
Cesar Puello: 1-4, HR (13), outfield assist at home
Andrew Bailey: 1 IP, H, ER, HR, K
Jason Gurka: 1 IP, 2 K - 2.37 ERA .242 BAA, 1.16 WHIP, 6 BB to 21 K in 19 IP since joining Angels - lefty reliever
Aside from Cowart's big game, another big standout last night was....
Osmer Morales: 6 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 7 K - minor league FA and sleeper prospect, Morales made his second start in AAA after a mediocre AA season
He's been good in SLC in two starts - 11 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 HR, 5 BB, 12 K, 1.64 ERA, .220 BAA, 1.27 WHIP
Could play into the SP depth if he keeps it up.

Mobile (42-54) lost 2 to 4 to Chattanooga (63-34)
Michael Hermosillo: 2-4, SB (19)
Matt Thaiss: 0-3, BB, 2 K
Taylor Ward (playing C): 1-4, K, R, Error
Jose Rojas (playing 2B): 1-4, 2B
Troy Montgomery: 1-3

Inland Empire (46-52) lost 3 to 11 to Visalia (50-48)
Jahmai Jones: 3-4, SB (1)
Jared Walsh: 2-4, HR (5), 2 RBI 
Jesus Castillo: 6 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 2 HR

Burlington (43-54) lost 7 to 9 to Bowling Green (48-47)
Derek Jenkins: 1-5, 3 K
Jonah Todd: 2-5, R, RBI, 2 K
Artemis Kadkhodaian: 1-4, BB, K
Richard Fecteau: 2-5, HR (3), 3 RBI
Stephen Kerr: 3-5, 2B, 2 RBI, K
Erik Manoah: 3.2 IP, 4 H, 6 ER, 5 BB, 3 K

Orem (23-8) won 3 to 2 over Great Falls (10-21)
Leonardo Rivas: 1-1, BB, left game early? 4 SB (8)
Manuel Guzman: 2-4, 2B
Torii Hunter: 1-3, R, 2B, BB
Chris Rodriguez: 5 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K - last 4 GS: 20 IP, 16 H, 5 ER, 3 BB to 19 K, 2.25 ERA, .211 BAA, 0.95 WHIP

AZL Angels Postponed - rain

DSL Angels (19-22) lost 4 to 10 to DSL Cardinals (16-25)
Jose Quezada: 3-4,  2 3B, RBI, BB
Oliver Carmona: 2-5
Cristian Gomez: 3-5, 2B, 2 RBI
Yoel De Leon: 4 IP, 5 H, ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Kiber Arvelaez: 2 IP, BB, K

[tdawg87]

Thaiss is sucking ass right now.

[Dugout]

He needs to suck sometimes, it will teach him to struggle and overcome a valuable tool moving forward.

[Docwaukee]

Thought of a good ceiling comp for Hermosillo - Reggie Sanders.  Feel like they actually have similar torquey swings. Plus speed.  Good discipline.  Similar build.  

Anyone got good scouting reports on Hector Yan or Ryan Clark.  Saw Clark was drafted by the Braves.  Not sure how he ended up with us.  

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Anyone got good scouting reports on Hector Yan or Ryan Clark.  Saw Clark was drafted by the Braves.  Not sure how he ended up with us.  

• RHP Ryan Clark – UNC Greensboro junior; 88-94 FB (96 peak) that is tough to elevate with ample sink, enough offspeed to start (CB and CU stand out as average or better future pitches); has the command, athleticism, and track record to suggest lots of good things to come; profile reminds me of many of the guys traded this deadline (e.g., Pivetta, Eickhoff) in packages that returned star big leaguers; underrated on my end before the draft, really nice pick

https://baseballdraftreport.com/2015/08/03/2015-mlb-draft-reviews-atlanta-braves/

A bit of a writeup on Yan here -- http://www.scout.com/mlb/angels/story/1735869-angels-top-51-prospects-countdown-46-51  Scroll down, he ranked 48th.

[Docwaukee]

I remember seeing Yan's numbers in the DSL last year and wondering about his stuff.  Hard throwing lefties make my pants tight.  

[tdawg87]

Does he sweat like a beast

[Docwaukee]

23 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Does he sweat like a beast

Hector is one of Esteban's sweat babies.  

[tdawg87]

Esteban was always so moist. 

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Saturday, July 22nd, 2017:
Salt Lake (54-46) won 4 to 3 in 10 innings over Albuquerque (50-50)
David Fletcher (playing SS): 1-5, 2 K
Kaleb Cowart (playing 2B): 4-4, 2 R, walk off HR (12), 2 RBI, BB
Jefry Marte: 1-4, 2B, 2 RBI
Tyler Skaggs: 4 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
Troy Scribner: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 2 K
Deolis Guerra: 1 IP, 1 K - ERA down to 1.17, with a .169 BAA and 0.74 WHIP in 23 IP (3 BB to 22 K)
Guerra's almost a sure bet to rejoin the team if any of our vet relievers get dealt.

Mobile (42-55) lost 0 to 7 to Chattanooga (65-34)
Michael Hermosillo: 0-2, K, left game early
Matt Thaiss: 2-4, BB, K
Zach Houchins: 2-4, 2B, K
Grayson Long: 3 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Connor Lillis-White: 1 IP, 2 K - another perfect inning - in AA, 28.2 IP, only ten hits. .108 BAA, 0.98 WHIP

Inland Empire (47-52) won 9 to 7 over Visalia (50-49)
Jahmai Jones: 1-3, 2 BB, 2 R, RBI - through 3 games with IE, .455/.571/.455/1.026, 3 walks to 3 Ks
Brennon Lund: 1-4, R, BB, K
Jordan Zimmerman: 1-4, R, 2 RBI
Jared Walsh: 2-4, 2B, 3 RBI, BB
Ryan Clark: 3.2 IP, 5 H, 6 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
Nathan Bates: 2 IP, 2 H, BB, 5 K
Samil De Los Santos: 1 IP, H, K

Burlington (44-54) won 8 to 2 over Dayton (51-48)
Jonah Todd: 2-5, 2 2B, 3 RBI
Stephen Kerr: 2-4, 2B, 2 R
Carlos Salazar: 1.2 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Someone to still watch....
Andrew Vinson: 5 IP, 2 H, 5 K 
Former standout college reliever making the switch to SP (a la Ramirez/Bridwell) whose last 5 starts: 25 IP, 3.24 ERA, .237 BAA, 1.00 WHIP, 3 BB to 20 K

Orem (23-9) lost 5 to 6 to Great Falls (11-21)
Ryan Vega: 1-5, 2B
Torii Hunter: 2-4, 2 R, 3B
Matt McCann: 3-4, HR (1), 3 RBI
Elvin Rodriguez: 5 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 2 HR
Daniel Procopio: 1.1 IP, H, 2 K

AZL Angels (12-10) lost 4 to 5 in 7 innings to AZL Athletics (11-11) makeup of 721 PPD
Nonie Williams: 1-3, HR (1), K - first career HR
Jimmy Barnes: 1-3, 2 K
Jose Suarez: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 8 K - bumped down from Burlington

AZL Angels (13-9) won 7 to 6 in 7 innings over AZL Athletics (10-12)
Jacob Pearson: 1-3, 3B, RBI, R, BB, K
Jordon Adell: 0-3, K
Nonie Williams: 0-2, R, BB, K
Jimmy Barnes: 1-3, K, SB (4)
Hector Yan: 3 IP, 2 H, 4 K

DSL Angels - rained out

[Second Base]

Gosh guys, who does Cowart have to blow to get his shot? #QuinlanCan #WhereIsWood #FreeGrantGreen #WrathOfKohn #CantContainCowart

[Docwaukee]

He's either on his way up or he got injured.  Pulled after 4 at bats (guy who replaced him got two more).  

He was 3-4 with a double at the time.  playing 2b.  

[tdawg87]

Jones went 2-4 with a 2B and another walk. Dude is killing it right now.

 

[totdprods]

Sunday, July 23rd, 2017:
Salt Lake (54-47) lost 8 to 9 to Albuquerque (51-50)
Eric Young, Jr: 2-5, R, BB, K
David Fletcher: 1-5, BB
Kaleb Cowart (playing 2B): 3-4, 3 R, 2B, K - pulled from game early
Jefry Marte: 3-4, HR (8), 4 RBI, 2 R, BB, K - hitting .409 in last 10 games
Dustin Ackley: 1-4, HR (3), 2 RBI
Tony Sanchez: 3-5, 2 K
John Lamb: 2 IP, 12 H, 9 ER, 2 K, 2 HR
Manny Banuelos: 2 IP, 2 H, BB, 4 K

Mobile (43-55) won 6 to 4 over Chattanooga (63-35)
Troy Montgomery: 2-5, K
Matt Thaiss: 1-4, 2 R, BB, 2 K
Sherman Johnson: 2-3, 2B, 2 RBI, 2 BB, 
Taylor Ward: 1-5, RBI, K
Jose Rojas: 1-4, 3B, R, K
Tim Arakawa: 2-4, R
Alex Klonowski: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 HR

Inland Empire (47-53) lost 5 to 8 to VIsalia (51-49)
Jahmai Jones: 2-4, 2B, RBI, BB, K, SB (1), CS (2), and two errors
Brennon Lund: 1-5, 2B, R, K
Jose Rodriguez: 5.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, BB, 6 K

Burlington (44-55) lost 1 to 6 to Dayton (52-48)
Jonah Todd: 2-5, RBI, 2 K
Jackson Zarubin: 1 IP, K - 45.2 IP, 1.97 ERA, .280 BAA, 1.36 WHIP, 13 BB to 41 K

Orem (24-9) won 12 to 9 over Great Falls (11-22)
Leonardo Rivas: 2-2, 3 BB, HR (1), RBI, R, SB (9) - in 107 AB, slashing .327/.456/.486/.942 - 24 walks to 15 strikeouts
Ryan Vega: 2-5, 2B, 2 R 
Franklin Torres (3B): 3-5, 2B, HR (2), 4 RBI, 3 R
Angel Molina: 3-5, 2 2B, RBI, 2 K
Torii Hunter: 0-4, 2 RBI, BB, K
Cole Duensing (Orem debut): 2.2 IP, 3 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 2 HR

AZL Angels (13-10) and AZL Indians (6-16) game suspended in Top of 3rd inning, tied 2-2
 

[m0nkey]

Has someone confirmed that Marsh's finger didn't fall off?

[Angelsjunky]

Somehow this thread had a slightly gay detour.

Speaking of gay, I'm starting to become gay for Jahmai. I'm loving what I'm seeing. If he keeps hitting this way for the rest of the year, he's got to be considered a top 50 prospect.

I like how Jonah Todd is coming along. I got a kind of Calhoun sleeper vibe from him, although more of a walk/speed guy. 

[Rico]

Marte is heating up.