Ferguson Unrest

[mancini79]

He's like that douchey uncle that is completely inappropriate with the women in the family, especially the young ones, but never quite crosses the line into full pedo.

 

Like this uncle?

 

[InsideThePark]

Watch the video. It's readily available. Maybe you don't mind living in a place where that's acceptable. I don't.

Yeah, IMO the takeaway from the video shouldn't be that if he had listened to them, maybe they wouldn't have been assholes. It should be that they escalated a situation that killed a person, which all stemmed from a minor offense. Why even arrest him? They could have just handed him a ticket.

[Jason]

The new thing that is becoming an issue for use of force training is compression asphyxiea. This is pretty common and can lead to breating issues. It is more common with overweight people as well. This often happens when the officers are dog piling on but throw in a choke hold and bad things will happen. There is a reason many departments don't authorize them.

[Tank]

Watch the video. It's readily available. Maybe you don't mind living in a place where that's acceptable. I don't.

 

so when a suspect resists arrest, what do you suggest the police do?

[arch stanton]

so when a suspect resists arrest, what do you suggest the police do?

Something short of choking him to death would be nice. Again, watch the video.

[Tank]

Something short of choking him to death would be nice. Again, watch the video.

 

so no real solution to offer?

 

and i've seen the video.

[arch stanton]

If you call pulling your hands away resisting then fine. But what part of lying under 5 cops and begging to be allowed a life-sustaining breath is considered resisting arrest? At what point is he subdued? Where is the line between police doing their job and a gang of street thugs exerting their dominance?

[arch stanton]

I did some research on police compensation and as I thought the municipal forces tend to be pretty grossly underpaid in poorer neighborhoods. As Cezaro prepares to teach Of Mice and Men to his class I guess the best we can ask is that they act a little more like George and a little less like Lenny.

[Glen]

please understand i'm not trying to justify what the police did, not in any way, shape or form.

 

 

 

Then stop doing just that.  There really is no justification for what those cops did.

[NJHalo]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152968588951177

Unreal. Remarkable restraint shown by the police.

Edited December 9, 2014 by NJHalo

[gotbeer]

They should make a film.  A day without police.  Even in one of the more civilized nations in the world, things would go to shit real quick.

[gotbeer]

Just my 2 cents.  And I have not seen the video of the NY thing.  

 

But it's hard to believe that that much force would be used for selling illegal goods.  This is why cameras on all cops is probably a good thing, and something the president should use executive order on, instead of all the crap he uses it on.  Because if you just went based on a video where the shit started to hit the fan.  It's like saying the Angels were absolute crap last year because all you saw was the Royals buzzsawing the Angels in the playoffs.  

 

Look at the Watts thing.  That could have been a rallying cry for police injustice by the 1% rich actors/actresses.  Instead, because of a police recording, she looks like a total tool.

[arch stanton]

Just my 2 cents.  And I have not seen the video of the NY thing.  

 

But it's hard to believe that that much force would be used for selling illegal goods.  This is why cameras on all cops is probably a good thing, and something the president should use executive order on, instead of all the crap he uses it on.  Because if you just went based on a video where the shit started to hit the fan.  It's like saying the Angels were absolute crap last year because all you saw was the Royals buzzsawing the Angels in the playoffs.  

 

Look at the Watts thing.  That could have been a rallying cry for police injustice by the 1% rich actors/actresses.  Instead, because of a police recording, she looks like a total tool.

I don't see the point of the cameras since this is on video and all they do is say he did not choke him, he simply grasped him around the throat and cut off his ability to breathe. Old Injun trick. Just like with "imminent" threat and droning when a definition doesn't suit them they just change the definition and laugh in your face. You now live under selectively enforced martial law. Enjoy.

[RallyMo]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152968588951177

Unreal. Remarkable restraint shown by the police.

 

Speaking of remarkable restraints, how about that chokehold?

[RallyMo]

so no real solution to offer?

 

and i've seen the video.

 

What makes you think that the solution is what happened? It's clearly not.

[NJHalo]

Speaking of remarkable restraints, how about that chokehold?

I missed it, which cop in that video was the one who took down Eric Gardner? I'm not sure either, so obviously they all deserved it, especially the one that got hit in the head with the sawhorse.

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[Blarg]

Well, thank God it wasn't a banjo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome, Geoff.

[Spirit]

The copyright infringement invoice is in the mail. 

Edited December 9, 2014 by Geoff

[mancini79]

I would hate to be the cop that tripped going after a protestor. I'm sure the ribbing he's getting at the precinct is far worse than what any of those people said. He will be forever known as "Officer Tripp"

Edited December 9, 2014 by mancini79

[RallyMo]

I missed it, which cop in that video was the one who took down Eric Gardner? I'm not sure either, so obviously they all deserved it, especially the one that got hit in the head with the sawhorse.

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Who said they deserved it?

[Spirit]

Who said they deserved it?

 

 

Well, you did tie the two together as a tit for tat.

 

 

For the record, I was ok with the tit.

[RallyMo]

Well, you did tie the two together as a tit for tat.

 

 

For the record, I was ok with the tit.

 

Yeah, but I never came close to saying that these guys deserve it.

[nate]

Nothing in the Ferguson issue says that the guy didn't have it coming.

 

The New York issue on the other hand, what a load of bullshit.

[Tank]

i saw the beginning of the video this morning, something that i had not seen previously. it showed garner explaining the police that he had simply helped break up a fight. he was explaining his role in it while the police calmly stood by listening. at no point did the police accuse of him on the tape of selling loosey's in a clear voice.

 

i agree with whoever suggested the police simply give him a citation. this was a gross overreaction. i don't understand what the grand jury saw that convinced them not to indict.

[Spirit]

Nothing in the Ferguson issue says that the guy didn't have it coming.

 

The New York issue on the other hand, what a load of bullshit.

 

 

I'm kind of aligned with this.  It feels like the Ferguson thing has muted/trumped what could have (should have) been a real outpouring of distain for the NY event.  (As we are doing in this thread)  The two events have been married together and I really think that does a grave injustice to the NY case.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Geoff