Angels have scouted Tanaka multiple times

[arch stanton]

That article was planted by Yankee lovers to scare the other teams off.

[Brent Maguire]

The workload is definitely a concern.

 

He probably has pitched more inning than most 28-30 year old pitchers but who knows, those pitchers from over seem to overcome the big workloads and be effective here. 

[Blarg]

I still can't seehow Tananka is any value to a team near the salary threshold. The posting fee negates anything you would save by not paying the tax on an overage for a known pitcher.

[Chimi]

I've been reading that they predict the posting fee to be between $75 million and $100 million.

[Angel Oracle]

I will admit that once the posting fee gets over $50-$60 million, that would be a definate concern.

As for the innings pitched, don't they also have a shorter season over there where they only make on average 28 starts/season?

Even with the extra pitches, his overall pitches workload is probably not much more than the average MLB's pitcher's workload.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I will admit that once the posting fee gets over $50-$60 million, that would be a definate concern.

As for the innings pitched, don't they also have a shorter season over there where they only make on average 28 starts/season?

Even with the extra pitches, his overall pitches workload is probably not much more than the average MLB's pitcher's workload.

You're right about him making less starts per year in Japan. Over the past three seasons, he's averaged just over 200 IP.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/japan/player.cgi?id=tanaka003mas

[ten ocho recon scout]

Now that the Angels are in the International Market...

In, before AO complains about the Angels not being in the CLONING market.

lmao

[Angel Oracle]

I want Trout cloned five times.

Hey, gotta keep it at least competitive in MLB.   

[Brent Maguire]

You're right about him making less starts per year in Japan. Over the past three seasons, he's averaged just over 200 IP.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/japan/player.cgi?id=tanaka003mas

Whoops I thought they made the same amount of starts, thus pushing the innings up near 250 each year. 

 

It still is concerning that he's pitched around 180 innings each year since he was 18. 

[Stradling]

AO, if I am not mistaken, pitch count is more of a worry than actual innings.  I could have sworn I read a few years back that it is stressful pitches made while tired that is more of a cause of arm issues than the actual number of innings thrown.  Does this ring a bell with anyone else? 

[Make Angels Great Again]

I am betting the posting fee is gonna be in the 70s

[Mark68]

I heard the halos are gonna go 'price is right' on this mother and bid $1 while everyone else overbids.  

That would work...if there was a rule about not going over.

 

If they actually were able to see other teams' bids, they should go cutthroat and outbid someone by $1.

[Mark68]

I still can't seehow Tananka is any value to a team near the salary threshold. The posting fee negates anything you would save by not paying the tax on an overage for a known pitcher.

The difference being that you're paying the posting fee once, where being over the luxury tax could have repercussions for multiple years (locking up Trout, for instance, while Hamilton, Wilson, and Pujols are on the books).

[Stradling]

Man, I still see this as the absolute game of poker.  You put in this silent bid then if you happen to win that bid, you then get to sign him to a contract.  After that $100+ million investment you have to hope he can adjust culturally and dominate.  I hope he does well no matter where he goes, because I would love for the Japanese game to get closer to the MLB caliber of game.  That would just open up so many more options out there to create even better teams over here in the states.  I think it would just be safer to pay the luxury tax and get proven major league talent. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

I'm pretty clueless on the salary tax. Does anyone know the rough numbers on what we would end up paying if we go over? Is it a set penalty, or is it based on how far over a team goes.

[Stradling]

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/luxury-tax/

 

 

First time looks like 17.5%

[Mark68]

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/luxury-tax/

 

 

First time looks like 17.5%

Wow. At $189 million, that comes to about $33 mil. Not a paltry sum.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Thanks for the link.

So roughly 25 mill? That's understandably something to try and avoid.

That said, with thr tv money kicking in....I'd say it shouldn't totally turn us away from spending on a real fix.

[Docwaukee]

I think you only get taxed on the amount you go over.

[Mark68]

Even then, it looks like the price of beer will be increasing.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Even then, it looks like the price of beer will be increasing.

and the drinking of it, if we don't fix the pitching.

'Joe blanton drove me to the bottle' could be become the newest defense in court.

[ten ocho recon scout]

So Doc, if we went over by like ten mill it would be 17 percent of that?

If that's what keeps us from going over...I'd be very unhappy.

[Angel Oracle]

Even going over by $30 million only leads to paying $5.1 million in luxury tax then.

With the upgraded tv contract, that is pissant money to fret over.

[Tyler]

The calm before the Tanaka.

[Stradling]

When does Tanaka fever start?  Now's the time for the Tanaka Tanaka?