Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[Inside Pitch]

27 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Given he is suspended, I am guessing not.  They don't have to pay him currently.  Bauer's arbitration case, though, could change that.

Yep, they got over once that suspension hit.  Strange there has been nothing said since.

[Dtwncbad]

5 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

 

A little more fleshed out than the previous quote

 

[Warfarin]

I'm curious - it seemed like most were not too eager to sign Swanson when all the SS options were being discussed.  If it turns out that is indeed Perry's target, and he signs something like a 6/150 deal (25mil AAV) - will people here be excited or disappointed?

[Chuck]

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[Angelsfan1984]

2 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

I'm curious - it seemed like most were not too eager to sign Swanson when all the SS options were being discussed.  If it turns out that is indeed Perry's target, and he signs something like a 6/150 deal (25mil AAV) - will people here be excited or disappointed?

In that scenario, Id rather give that to someone like Nimmo and then trade Ward+ for a SS. 

If no other moves are possible, id be fine with it.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

7 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Technically, the payroll is actually at 197M right now, not $212M.  The $212M is the luxury tax calculation, not actual payroll.

It's the Luxury tax that l hope to exceed for a quality SS. Swanson will do, l liked his TV dinners but not Tucker Carlson.

[angelsnationtalk]

1 minute ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

It's the Luxury tax that l hope to exceed for a quality SS. Swanson will do, l liked his TV dinners but not Tucker Carlson.

If Swanson is the cheaper one and it lets us allocate that extra $ to Senga then i'd be ecstatic. 

[Taylor]

We're ending up with Elvis Andrus at 1 year/$17M, aren't we.

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, TempeAngel said:

I just think it's BS that some of us Angels fans want to discount the Dodgers WS win. Every team played by the same rules. 

Now what about in regards to past WS winning teams?

Imagine winning a marathon the year it was only 6 miles.

The Angels this past year had one of the best records in baseball after the first 50 games...

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, TempeAngel said:

I just think it's BS that some of us Angels fans want to discount the Dodgers WS win. Every team played by the same rules. 

Now what about in regards to past WS winning teams?

Imagine winning a marathon the year it was only 6 miles.

The Angels this past year had one of the best records in baseball after the first 50 games...

[Angels 1961]

48 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Right, although the Padres have both Kim and Tatis, so I don't think they really need one.  I think Correa goes to the Giants, seems like Bogaerts will stay in Boston, and the Cubs get Swanson.

Have not heard much about Swanson

[Angels 1961]

3 minutes ago, Taylor said:

We're ending up with Elvis Andrus at 1 year/$17M, aren't we.

Halos getting Tim Anderson and Liam Hendricks in blockbuster deal. Details are being worked out as you read this

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

Halos getting Tim Anderson and Liam Hendricks in blockbuster deal. Details are being worked out as you read this

Angels 1961 is LionInTexas confirmed.

[halonatic13]

Padres getting shut out so far this off-season. Kinda reminds me of the last 3 Angels off-season. 

[Revad]

39 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

I'm curious - it seemed like most were not too eager to sign Swanson when all the SS options were being discussed.  If it turns out that is indeed Perry's target, and he signs something like a 6/150 deal (25mil AAV) - will people here be excited or disappointed?

I’d be excited, especially if we could hold on to existing ML players, add without subtracting.  If this happened, Swanson will play almost every game if healthy.  I’d like to keep Fletcher and Rengifo both.  

Edited December 7, 2022 by Revad
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[Biergott]

Andrus would just be an insult after such clear targeting of a SS and all the speak of needing to upgrade SS as a priority with no budget restraint. Plus there was such a big class of stellar SS’s.  It would be more than the perennial angle fan letdown, it would be a smack in the face because we’d arguably be the same with the internal options and platooning.

 

at least my grumpy ass would take it that way lol

[Duren, Duren]

The Judge deal won't age well. There always is a personal drop off after a major record is set. But he should still give them a few quality seasons. But that's how the market is now and the Yankees had extra fan pressure to keep their latest hero. Especially coming off a historic season. Possibly a preview of the Angels/Ohtani scenario. Imagine if Ohtani again has an MVP/Cy Young season? Probably a 45 - 50 million per range with multiple teams competing. 

Regarding the Dodgers 60 game Series win. They survived the circumstances and won, but it was more like a self contained tournament. All the normal baseball dynamics about pitching rotations and roster deployment were skewered.  And historically it will be immediately dismissed as an anomaly. 

Historically the toughest era to win were the 1961 (AL) 1962 (NL) - 1968 years. Ten teams each league, only pennant winners playing post season. With the Angels and Astros expansion teams diluting the depth of talent,  the quality of competition was a bit less than in the traditional eight team leagues. But that decade saw some really good teams never make the post season. 

The 1961 Yankees were probably the best in those years. I actually have a few audio files of their games, including one with the expansion Angels. And don't forget about 1968, the 'year of the pitcher.' Talk about pitching, speed and defense.

I have an old PC game called Baseball Manager,that let's you make your own changes, trades and so on if desired. And where you can replay any year in history. Quite a way to get the feel of what the game was like at any given time. 

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

The Judge deal won't age well. There always is a personal drop off after a major record is set. But he should still give them a few quality seasons. But that's how the market is now and the Yankees had extra fan pressure to keep their latest hero. Especially coming off a historic season. Possibly a preview of the Angels/Ohtani scenario. Imagine if Ohtani again has an MVP/Cy Young season? Probably a 45 - 50 million per range with multiple teams competing. 

Regarding the Dodgers 60 game Series win. They survived the circumstances and won, but it was more like a self contained tournament. All the normal baseball dynamics about pitching rotations and roster deployment were skewered.  And historically it will be immediately dismissed as an anomaly. 

Historically the toughest era to win were the 1961 (AL) 1962 (NL) - 1968 years. Ten teams each league, only pennant winners playing post season. With the Angels and Astros expansion teams diluting the depth of talent,  the quality of competition was a bit less than in the traditional eight team leagues. But that decade saw some really good teams never make the post season. 

The 1961 Yankees were probably the best in those years. I actually have a few audio files of their games, including one with the expansion Angels. And don't forget about 1968, the 'year of the pitcher.' Talk about pitching, speed and defense.

I have an old PC game called Baseball Manager,that let's you make your own changes, trades and so on if desired. And where you can replay any year in history. Quite a way to get the feel of what the game was like at any given time. 

Sure, but if they win 1 World Series in the next 9 years then i'm sure it'd age just fine. 

[Erstad Grit]

13 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Halos getting Tim Anderson and Liam Hendricks in blockbuster deal. Details are being worked out as you read this

If this happens you're my favorite poster, if it doesn't you're my least

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, TempeAngel said:

I just think it's BS that some of us Angels fans want to discount the Dodgers WS win. Every team played by the same rules. Get over it.

In a 60 game season all it would take is a 3 week slump and a team may not even make the playoffs. Over 162 games it's likely the best teams are playing in October.

And it also allowed the Marlins to actually make the post-season.

[beatlesrule]

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[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Warfarin said:

 

For those looking for signs of hope  

It’s still a long term contract for out of house FA, although at least Minasian is very familiar with Swanson.

[totdprods]

Lugo makes sense as being in a 6-man gives him a chance to stretch out to a starter a little more comfortably, like Lorenzen. I imagine he’d also be a one-year deal so he could potentially re-enter market after a year of starting and hope for bigger money. Comes down to whether or not someone is offering him more already either to relieve or multi-year.

Edited December 7, 2022 by totdprods

[Angels 1961]

31 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

Padres getting shut out so far this off-season. Kinda reminds me of the last 3 Angels off-season. 

Halos got Thor, Lorenzen, Loup and Tepera last off season.