2022-23 Free Agency Early Look

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Second Base said:

I think it's something worse than that. It's like the kid with deadbeat dad, thinking "if I just do this he'll be proud of me." Not understanding the brokenness has a different root cause. 

There's a path to victory here, but not through free agency.

Agree, regarding the big money guys.

Someone like Bassitt makes a lot of sense to slot between Sandoval and Detmers.

Then you have a whole lot of pitchers battling for spots 5 and 6.   Bush, Suarez, Erla, Barria (if kept), Crow, etc.

Find a closer on a short deal to groom late innings guys like Bachman, Silseth, Ortega, and Murphy.

Find a decent enough MIF to back up Rengifo and Fletcher, someone who can put up at least a .700 OPS and field decently enough.   Squid is great defensively, but almost a zero with the bat.

Find a 2nd catcher better than Suzuki, if O’Hoppe still needs another partial season to be ready.

OF - have to hope that Adell and Moniak can do a solid enough job alongside Trout and Ward.

And of course, if Ohtani does not end up re-signing this off-season, the above definitely changes.

[Angelsfan1984]

5 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Is it stupid to consider Ohtani at 1B? If he is in fact going to be locked up that might be better for the team than DH.

I know it adds to the injury risk. But I assume stealing bases is a bigger risk than playing 1B.

Ask John olerud. That guy lived dangerously lol

[Angel Oracle]

Remember that they now have hitter deluxe DiChiara in AA.

Can he play 1B eventually?   Or is DH his future?

[Angels 1961]

3 hours ago, Hubs said:

Maybe, but I'd figure him between Seager and Semien. Swanson makes more sense, and is younger and will be cheaper. I know they have minor league depth, but you can't count on it being ready at a certain point. Neto is still three years away from being a regular and possibly two years away from the show, Paris too. Jackson may be ready in 2023, but he wouldn't be a regular until 2024 or 2025.

As They clearly need to upgrade offense, what's your suggestion?

 

This off season first question I would need answered is Ohtani staying in 2023. If Minasian and Arte are not going to trade him, and he will be on Angels next season I start there. If Ohtani is on team, I upgrade offense first. You would have 3 decent starters in Sandoval, Detmers and Ohtani. Suarez could be one of other 3. Health of Trout and Rendon will again determine how far this team goes. Without both healthy team will have 8th straight losing season. With Ohtani on team his money will be around 25 mill. I have not looked at all possible MIF but big names Correa, Trea Turner, Bogaerts would be off the table. Swanson is younger and would make an attempt after him. I think Dodgers will not end up with Trea Turner but they will go after Swanson and put Lux at 2nd. Lot of money coming off books for Dodgers and with Mets will be big players for Ohtani after 2023 season. My biggest concern for Angels is I do not think Minasian can put a decent roster together. Players signed last off season none really worked out. I would spend money in off season on offense, 1B, SS, OF and C. Bullpen has 5 or more I bring back. Loup and Tepera signed plus Quijada, Herget, Barria maybe Wantz rest from farm. Ortega could take a spot. I spend 0 dollars on bullpen. Quijada should close rest of this season. I like his attitude and he wants that job. I like Moniak for 4th OF spot or maybe starting in LF. So 2023 success will be if Rendon and Trout healthy.

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Is it stupid to consider Ohtani at 1B? If he is in fact going to be locked up that might be better for the team than DH.

I know it adds to the injury risk. But I assume stealing bases is a bigger risk than playing 1B.

Bigger risk is telling playing rounding third to slide

[Erstad Grit]

ah yes,  the annual Angel fan tradition in August.  Looking at next year.  

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Agree, regarding the big money guys.

Someone like Bassitt makes a lot of sense to slot between Sandoval and Detmers.

Then you have a whole lot of pitchers battling for spots 5 and 6.   Bush, Suarez, Erla, Barria (if kept), Crow, etc.

Find a closer on a short deal to groom late innings guys like Bachman, Silseth, Ortega, and Murphy.

Find a decent enough MIF to back up Rengifo and Fletcher, someone who can put up at least a .700 OPS and field decently enough.   Squid is great defensively, but almost a zero with the bat.

Find a 2nd catcher better than Suzuki, if O’Hoppe still needs another partial season to be ready.

OF - have to hope that Adell and Moniak can do a solid enough job alongside Trout and Ward.

And of course, if Ohtani does not end up re-signing this off-season, the above definitely changes.

Quijada will be closer.

[stormngt]

5 hours ago, Trendon said:

No excuse for the Angels to not upgrade 1B next year.

Abreu, Bell, Belt, Mancini, and Rizzo all clear Walsh.

All this is true, however how much do we spend?  How long a contract?

And are we just giving up extending Ohtani?

[stormngt]

4 hours ago, Second Base said:

I have no idea why anyone here would believe Arte will increase payroll beyond previous levels to acquire talent, or that the talent actually wants to sign with the Angels. Nor should anyone have faith in an Angels GM making wise decisions in free agency. 

Ohtani 

If we are to keep ohtani we need to:

1. Improve the team

2. Increase payroll

And it has been said that Ohtani brings back the money spent.

If Arte isn't willing to increase payroll, he should have traded Ohtani two weeks ago.

[Torridd]

4 hours ago, Second Base said:

I have no idea why anyone here would believe Arte will increase payroll beyond previous levels to acquire talent, or that the talent actually wants to sign with the Angels. Nor should anyone have faith in an Angels GM making wise decisions in free agency. 

Why be a fan other than to hope?

[Angelsfan1984]

7 minutes ago, Torridd said:

Why be a fan other than to hope?

I'm an angels fan so that i can increase my gray hair ratio. Ladies like the salt and pepper.

[ten ocho recon scout]

35 minutes ago, Torridd said:

Why be a fan other than to hope?

At this point you'd almost think we could get a tax write off for being fans. 

"We supported this crap, and it led to jobs"

[Angels 1961]

5 hours ago, Hubs said:

Maybe, but I'd figure him between Seager and Semien. Swanson makes more sense, and is younger and will be cheaper. I know they have minor league depth, but you can't count on it being ready at a certain point. Neto is still three years away from being a regular and possibly two years away from the show, Paris too. Jackson may be ready in 2023, but he wouldn't be a regular until 2024 or 2025.

As They clearly need to upgrade offense, what's your suggestion?

 

Besides top 4 SS free agents not much there. Jose Iglesias I'm sure he would not sign here. Max Muncy for 2nd he will only be 32. Adam Frazier for 2nd not much power. Kolton Wong or a Joey Wendle. Brandon Drury at 1B and insurance at 3B. Maybe a Justin Turner for 1B if Dodgers to not pick up his option. Many teams will be after Swanson for SS so he will get over paid. Fletcher has looked good since his recall. 

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

Quijada will be closer.

Of course, forgot to include him with his solid stuff in the pen.

Just needs to tweak the control.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

ah yes,  the annual Angel fan tradition in late May.  Looking at next year.  

Fixed

[Angel Oracle]

Just saw that Bassitt has a $19 million mutual option for 2023.

[BTH]

9 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Just saw that Bassitt has a $19 million mutual option for 2023.

Those never get picked up.

[BTH]

1 hour ago, stormngt said:

All this is true, however how much do we spend?  How long a contract?

And are we just giving up extending Ohtani?

1B usually isn’t a position of need for many teams, so maybe that helps the Angels get a discount at 1B.

As far as contract terms and length, it depends on the player.

Probably no more than 3 years for anyone, and 1 year (maybe 2) max for the old guys like Abreu and Belt.

[BTH]

4 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Is it stupid to consider Ohtani at 1B? If he is in fact going to be locked up that might be better for the team than DH.

I know it adds to the injury risk. But I assume stealing bases is a bigger risk than playing 1B.

I doubt that’s an option.

The Angels need another good hitter to complement Trout/Ohtani/Rendon anyway, so moving Ohtani to 1B doesn’t really fix that issue.

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, Trendon said:

I doubt that’s an option.

The Angels need another good hitter to complement Trout/Ohtani/Rendon anyway, so moving Ohtani to 1B doesn’t really fix that issue.

It helps Trout and Rendon get abs at DH. You want that trio in lineup as much as possible.

[Angels 1961]

7 minutes ago, Trendon said:

Those never get picked up.

Would need 3 years for 60 to 68 mill.

[Angels 1961]

Just now, Angels 1961 said:

Would need 3 years for 60 to 68 mill.

Maybe more

[Angel Oracle]

9 minutes ago, Trendon said:

Those never get picked up.

The Mets do have a deep rotation, making Bassitt expendable after the season.

Would slot in perfectly with the Halos as a #3 starter.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[ten ocho recon scout]

36 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Fixed

That's not exactly true. Usually in May we're cautiously waiting for someone in the minors to rebound from a devastating injury who might come back early and be a shot in the arm when rosters expand in November.

[Angels 1961]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

The Mets do have a deep rotation, making Bassitt expendable after the season.

Would slot in perfectly with the Halos as a #3 starter.

Slot perfect for a lot of teams. Bassitt price will be high