Angels sign Michael Lorenzen (1 year, $6.75 million)

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

2 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

We're not in the open market, we're in the Arte Market for pitching, which looks like this:

But, are those empty bottles? Or full?....

[Angel Oracle]

Weekend at Bargain Arte’s

[Lazorko Saves]

Found this picture of Perry cruisin' around the pitching yards looking for arms in the company car Arte provided him.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

14 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I think at this point it's pretty safe to say Robbie Ray (maybe Stroman) is probably the target and, if they miss out, they'll make a strong pivot towards Luis Castillo, in which yes, including a MLB-ready SP will almost be necessary, if not two. That's where Lorenzen helps us.

1. Ray/Castillo/Stroman
2. Syndergaard
3. Ohtani
4. Sandoval
5. Lorenzen
6. whoever is left of Suarez, Canning, Barria, Detmers, Bachman if there's a Castillo trade

Might as well get both Castillo and one of Stroman/Ray

Castillo Ray Ohtani Syndergaard is a real playoff rotation

[mmc]

If this was a good roster, I'd love that we had him for his versatility.  However, this is not a good roster, so I don't care too much for it right now, nor do I really hate it because it's not my money and I see it as a sign we increase payroll.  If we do put together a good roster, then as I said, I'll probably love the move because of his versatility, but we aren't there yet.  So I'm not really going to judge this one too much, though I do think the people who call it a total waste are reaching quite a bit.

[jsnpritchett]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

If this was a good roster, I'd love that we had him for his versatility.  However, this is not a good roster, so I don't care too much for it right now, nor do I really hate it because it's not my money and I see it as a sign we increase payroll.  If we do put together a good roster, then as I said, I'll probably love the move because of his versatility, but we aren't there yet.  So I'm not really going to judge this one too much, though I do think the people who call it a total waste are reaching quite a bit.

I will move back from calling it a total waste/hating it if and when the Angels make other substantial improvements to the pitching staff and to the defense.

[UndertheHalo]

Lorenzen is a good add imo.  As back end guy or spot start bullpen guy.  This is evidence of improving depth.  Actually very important. 

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

I will move back from calling it a total waste/hating it if and when the Angels make other substantial improvements to the pitching staff and to the defense.

Curious. What are your defensive replacements to our current starting roster?

[jsnpritchett]

2 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Curious. What are your defensive replacements to our current starting roster?

Beats me.  I just know that the defense was bad last year (yes, in part because Rendon wasn't around--but even he wasn't good defensively when he was active).  I definitely don't want Fletcher moving to SS, though.  That much I know...The improvement could come in the positioning/shifting.

[ten ocho recon scout]

17 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Found this picture of Perry cruisin' around the pitching yards looking for arms in the company car Arte provided him.

You need to change your name to Lorenzen Starts

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Beats me.  I just know that the defense was bad last year (yes, in part because Rendon wasn't around--but even he wasn't good defensively when he was active).  I definitely don't want Fletcher moving to SS, though.  That much I know...The improvement could come in the positioning/shifting.

Fair enough

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, Warfarin said:

Well, we'll see.  Not exciting, but Cobb wasn't an exciting addition either and he ended up being our 2nd best SP.  Lorenzen does have potential.

So, for now - Ohtani, Syndergaard, Sandoval, Suarez, Lorenzen, Barria.

Detmier?

[DCAngelsFan]

MLB says Scherzer is close to signing with the Mets, and Gausman has a deal with Toronto.

Hope this isn't our big "SP" signing ...

 

[rageous]

Angels back to dumpster diving again I see.

Same old Angels it seems that they never learn.

[aznhockeyguy]

This is definitely a head scratching move.  Would you rather have Heaney at 8.5 or this guy at 7?

[totdprods]

52 minutes ago, Cosmo_Kramer said:

Might as well get both Castillo and one of Stroman/Ray

Castillo Ray Ohtani Syndergaard is a real playoff rotation

The problem with that is you're probably adding $32m between Lorenzen and Stroman/Ray on top of the $28m committed to Thor and Loup, and at $60m, you're pretty much 'done' and over by a few million without addressing closer, another reliever, back-up catcher. Of course Arte could spend more, but there's going to be a limit. If you add Castillo to that, now you're looking at nearly $70m added to payroll and almost certainly will have a hole in the OF you'll need to address. 

I'd imagine the game plan goes two ways from here:

• 1: Sign Ray ~$25m or Stroman for ~$20m, give or take either AAV or with backloading, and then sign a closer still, be it Iglesias or someone else. That still likely puts the Angels around $190-$195m spent, without having addressed any of the other needs for other relievers, shortstop, or back-up catcher. They could roll with the team as is, but yeesh it's dicey. Realistically, it's probably a payroll closer to $200m-$210m. Not wholly unrealistic, but it'd be a big departure, barring any major backloading for the FA SP and CL.
   
• 2: Fail to sign Ray or Stroman, pivot to Castillo in a trade (I guess Sonny Gray as a potential back-up to that solution), and you likely trade an OF, a SS prospect, one of the young pitchers, maybe a second young pitcher or SS of a lesser tier. Bright side here is Castillo only adds $7.5m to the total, so Thor, Lorenzen, Loup, Castillo add up to $~43m added to '22. Easily have room to add Iglesias around ~$15m AAV without it breaking budget...it'd top off a little shy of $190m, maybe a tick more if you added a cheap OF, back-up catcher, another low-dollar reliever or two. The Angels still go over a bit, but there's room to add a wider net of talent here.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

27 minutes ago, aznhockeyguy said:

This is definitely a head scratching move.  Would you rather have Heaney at 8.5 or this guy at 7?

This guy at 7. I never want to see Heaney pitch again unless he's grooving fastballs to Mike Trout. 

[T.G.]

I’m surprised no one has asked if this guy has moxie?

[UndertheHalo]

Just now, True Grich said:

I’m surprised no one has asked if this guy has moxie?

Oh.  He has moxie. 

[Angel Oracle]

Is he magical?

[ten ocho recon scout]

What do they see in this guy?

 

(Edit. He pitches, and has a pulse. Minasian doesnt lie)

[Docwaukee]

What the F?

We. Don't. Have. A. SS.  

You take a flyer on this dude when our most stable MIer is someone who produced 0.3 WAR?  

If we end up with who we've got at SS/2b after spending 7m on a project then I'm gonna lose my fucking mind.  

They better do a lot more after this.   A lot more.  

[Cosmo_Kramer]

23 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

What the F?

We. Don't. Have. A. SS.  

You take a flyer on this dude when our most stable MIer is someone who produced 0.3 WAR?  

If we end up with who we've got at SS/2b after spending 7m on a project then I'm gonna lose my fucking mind.  

They better do a lot more after this.   A lot more.  

Don't worry Arte will get us Trevor Story

[stormngt]

4 hours ago, totdprods said:

Honestly, I love this. 

I hope there's another SP to come, but I have a really good feeling about Lorenzen.

The guy only started 5 games last half decade.

[Angelsjunky]

I don't get it. How is this guy any better than Jamie Barria, other than being decent with the bat? Plus he costs $6M more.