Rosenthal: Robbie Ray atop the Angels wishlist (signs with Seattle lmao)

[ten ocho recon scout]

9 hours ago, cals said:

We should start a Hall & Oates cover band.  

Ball and scrotes?

[ten ocho recon scout]

Ill be happy if we get him, for adding an arm thats better than what we have in house. But he's the last guy of the names out there I want. Just seems that we'd be buying way high.

But chucks riddle makes a lot of sense now.

[eligrba]

I think Syndergaard hinted that the Angels may have finally established a system that players would buy into to help their performance.  At his point, don't really care who of the top tier pitchers signs with the Angels, I just would like one of them.

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Do they have to DFA someone like Gosselin before a certain date?  I know they recently moved the deadline from December 1st to November 30th for what I think is offering a contract.  Would they have to release Gosselin before the 30th? 

They will either tender him a contract or offer arbitration.  If they don't he's automatically a FA.

[CanadianHalo]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

CJ was injured.  Albert got old.

Albert stopped running gear the second he got paid. He wasn’t doing anything to jeopardize his pay check 

[notherhalo]

With Arte being business minded and not baseball minded (evidently), he won't grossly overpay, which is why we missed out on all the previous pitchers.

Are we to expect something different here?

[totdprods]

Just now, notherhalo said:

With Arte being business minded and not baseball minded (evidently), he won't grossly overpay, which is why we missed out on all the previous pitchers.

Are we to expect something different here?

Arte has grossly overpaid several times, it just hasn't happened with a pitcher yet. 

They did make a record offer for Cole, the Yankees just made an offer that was even more of a record. 
They reportedly made offers to both Corbin and Wheeler, but both wanted to play East.
Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean they haven't tried.

[DCAngelsFan]

5 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Albert stopped running gear the second he got paid. He wasn’t doing anything to jeopardize his pay check 

Well, once he signed, his paycheck wasn't threatened. 

But the psychology isn't hard - you work and work to get "paid", to climb that mountain, to get that validation- and once you get paid, your effort has ended.  

Marathoners don't keep running past the finish line* and I've seen it in business, where a fat commission check or bonus or a big raise often has the opposite effect desired - people have often quit or gotten much less productive after these rewards.  

He dialed it back, and only periodically gave full effort.  Once cut, of course, his ego was threatened, and he put effort in again.  

That's the danger with any of the large payout contracts - you need to evaluate the psyche of the guy you're signing - is he gonna get fat and lazy?  Or will be still break his bones to win?

* (an imperfect analogy, since I've heard of many marathoners who've gone for runs a few hours after finishing) 

[Angels 1961]

2 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

I would be (pleasantly...) shocked if Arte opened up the checkbook enough to sign Syndergaard, Ray, and Scherzer (in addition to filling out the bullpen and other areas of need).

Do you wait to see where Scherzer signs before signing Ray if he is still not signed?

[gotbeer]

10 hours ago, Underdog Lefty said:

Based on Ray’s stats at https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/, I would take a pass on him.  Instead, I would go after another former Cy Young award winner that no one in Angels’ land is even talking about, Corey Kubler.  Yea, I know, he’s older than Ray and may not be what he used to be after surgery, but geez if he is able to recover successfully enough to be 80% of what he once was…….

OMG, take a look at his historical statistics on Spotrac too, they are radically better than any other free agent starting pitcher. I would take him as my 3rd, 4th or even 5th starter in a heartbeat.  He’s a bulldog on the mound and the Angels have a boatload of young pitchers throughout their organization that could learn quite a bit from him on how to take command on the mound.  Go get him on a 1 or 2-yr deal Angels, he’s worth the risk!

Corey Kluber signs one-year deal with Rays after spending 2021 season with Yankees, per report

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The 35-year-old Kluber is reportedly getting an $8 million deal

 

[ukyah]

2 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

Albert stopped running gear the second he got paid. He wasn’t doing anything to jeopardize his pay check 

i'm no pujols fan, but there was nothing that could possibly jeopardize his pay check. that shit's guaranteed the moment he signs on the line.

[eligrba]

2 hours ago, DCAngelsFan said:

Well, once he signed, his paycheck wasn't threatened. 

But the psychology isn't hard - you work and work to get "paid", to climb that mountain, to get that validation- and once you get paid, your effort has ended.  

Marathoners don't keep running past the finish line* and I've seen it in business, where a fat commission check or bonus or a big raise often has the opposite effect desired - people have often quit or gotten much less productive after these rewards.  

He dialed it back, and only periodically gave full effort.  Once cut, of course, his ego was threatened, and he put effort in again.  

That's the danger with any of the large payout contracts - you need to evaluate the psyche of the guy you're signing - is he gonna get fat and lazy?  Or will be still break his bones to win?

* (an imperfect analogy, since I've heard of many marathoners who've gone for runs a few hours after finishing) 

Albert became more self-centered than I imagined a player could after signing with the Angels.  That, in my estimation was the problem.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Not sure I'd trust Ray enough to pay his likely contract

[Chuck]

20 hours ago, mmc said:

 

[totdprods]

This is sure looking more clearer given Chuck's comments, Gausman to Toronto, and the Met's increasing chances with Scherzer.

[CanadianHalo]

lol if Arte waits

[Angelsfan1984]

Just say it chuck. Angels are after Ray. Blink once if I’m warm 

[Underdog Lefty]

12 hours ago, Taylor said:

Which God, though? The one true God or the one with all the red hats?

 

Is this the first time we've had an MLB player post on AW?

 Haha, would of if I could of.

[Stradling]

 

[HeavenlyHalos]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

 

We should get on that then lol.

[AngelsLakersFan]

8 minutes ago, Stradling said:

 

Scherzer here we come.

[Chuck]

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

Scherzer here we come.

Weirdly from my source Scherzer was #2, Robbie Ray was the Angels target all the way. 

[Lazorko Saves]

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His formal meeting with the #Angels, a top suitor, has yet to take place.

Apparently Perry is already at the meeting place, waiting for Ray to arrive.

[Angel Oracle]

5 hours ago, Stradling said:

 

Talk about stealth negotiations.

[tdawg87]

That 100% means we're signing him today.

How the Angels work. Also how these twitter turds "work".