Name starters you conclusively want here next year

[m0nkey]

On 11/1/2019 at 2:47 PM, Lou said:

I still can't believe that grown men call another grown man "Thor".

 

On 2/20/2020 at 9:19 AM, Lou said:

Any grown man that calls another grown man "Big Papi" or "Thor" does not enjoy vagina.

 

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Syndergaard

good MAN 

[Angels Fan Forever]

Well,

Ohtani and Canning will be in the rotation so the plan will be to build around them.

Resigning Options:

Bundy, Cobb

Inside Options:

Sandoval, Rodriguez and Detmers

Outside Options:

Scherzer, Lynn, Ray, Gray, Davies

 

[Angels 1961]

18 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

 

 

Or the machine

[Angels 1961]

3 minutes ago, Angels Fan Forever said:

Well,

Ohtani and Canning will be in the rotation so the plan will be to build around them.

Resigning Options:

Bundy, Cobb

Inside Options:

Sandoval, Rodriguez and Detmers

Outside Options:

Scherzer, Lynn, Ray, Gray, Davies

 

Rays may listen on Glasnow

[CanadianHalo]

Heaney.

 

I’ve been saying for the last 4 seasons that Heaney is at absolute best a number 4. However, the majority of this board has now convinced me otherwise! Heaney can be in the top half of a starting rotation on a competitive team! I mean, just look at the Angels! They good!

[Angel Oracle]

10 hours ago, Taylor said:

Nobody's answers will be conclusive because they'll be reactionary based on who's hot or struggling on a given day.

Thing is, the starters have mostly struggled, outside of Ohtani and Canning.

And even they have health ???

How does a team rebuild a farm into a 6th year, and its’ pitching is still like this?

How does an owner, knowing how weak pitching has been, NOT sign a single FA pitcher to more than a 1-2 years deal since Nibs going on  TEN years ago?

You can only use the “they wanted to pitch back East” excuse for so long.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[eligrba]

18 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Heaney.

 

I’ve been saying for the last 4 seasons that Heaney is at absolute best a number 4. However, the majority of this board has now convinced me otherwise! Heaney can be in the top half of a starting rotation on a competitive team! I mean, just look at the Angels! They good!

[Angels 1961]

23 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Thing is, the starters have mostly struggled, outside of Ohtani and Canning.

And even they have health ???

How does a team rebuild a farm into a 6th year, and its’ pitching is still like this?

How does an owner, knowing how weak pitching has been, NOT sign a single FA pitcher to more than a 1-2 years deal since Nibs going on  TEN years ago?

You can only use the “they wanted to pitch back East” excuse for so long.

Halos went big time after Cole, but pitchers like Keuchel and Ryu could have been signed.

[Angels Fan Forever]

On 5/19/2021 at 9:33 AM, Angel Oracle said:

How does a team rebuild a farm into a 6th year, and its’ pitching is still like this?

Well, in the five drafts from 2015 through 2019 Canning is the only pitcher the Angels selected in the first two rounds.

Don't know if it would have made a difference but we could have used a few of the other 9 picks on pitchers. Also, it doesn't feel like we are developing young pitchers in the minors. Maybe Rodriguez and Sandoval can change that perception. And we haven't developed many international pitchers and our FA signings have not  produced.

So it remains a work in progress.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

What are the chances a team like the Nationals let someone like Max go, though? He's been such an iconic staple in their rotation and it seems his stuff is still nasty. 

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Angels Fan Forever said:

Well, in the five drafts from 2015 through 2019 Canning is the only pitcher the Angels selected in the first two rounds.

Don't know if it would have made a difference but we could have used a few of the other 9 picks on pitchers. Also, it doesn't feel like we are developing young pitchers in the minors. Maybe Rodriguez and Sandoval can change that perception. And we haven't developed many international pitchers and our FA signings have now produced.

So it remains a work in progress.

Good point, seems that few international pitchers have been brought in.

The emphasis going back a decade seems to be four fold with this franchise.

1 - Sign/acquire mainly power hitters.

2 - Sign mainly athletic int’l prospects.

3 - Draft mainly toolsy guys in the early rounds.

4 - Fill in with pitching in the later rounds of the draft, or acquire medium pitching via trade.

Doesn’t seem to be a valid formula at all for having solid pitching?

Edited May 19, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Make Angels Great Again]

Ohtani/Canning/Detmers should be good in the rotation next year. Possibly C-Rod or Sandoval but i'm doubtful. Maddon is taking a pretty dip shit approach with those guys.

 

Would love Scherzer on a 2 or 3 year deal. The guy clearly still has it. Could possibly get him somewhere in the neighborhood of a low to mid 20's AAV.

Then bring in one of Thor or Rodon. Then focus all efforts on relievers. We would be looking good, but Arte will have to pony up.

[Angel Oracle]

Can Rodon stay healthy?

Always has had good stuff, but missed lots of time from 2017-2020.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[T.G.]

You guys are torturing yourselves.

[Angels 1961]

23 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Ohtani/Canning/Detmers should be good in the rotation next year. Possibly C-Rod or Sandoval but i'm doubtful. Maddon is taking a pretty dip shit approach with those guys.

 

Would love Scherzer on a 2 or 3 year deal. The guy clearly still has it. Could possibly get him somewhere in the neighborhood of a low to mid 20's AAV.

Then bring in one of Thor or Rodon. Then focus all efforts on relievers. We would be looking good, but Arte will have to pony up.

How does Tampa compete year after year on low budget. Enough with FA pitcher. Trade for some young starters who will be around 5 nor 6 years.

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

How does Tampa compete year after year on low budget. Enough with FA pitcher. Trade for some young starters who will be around 5 nor 6 years.

Tampa competes by not trading their young starters who they can control for 5 or 6 years.

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Tampa competes by not trading their young starters who they can control for 5 or 6 years.

And by drafting good ones to start with.

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

How does Tampa compete year after year on low budget. Enough with FA pitcher. Trade for some young starters who will be around 5 nor 6 years.

 

The only high value assets we have to trade are Rodriguez, Detmers, Canning, Marsh, and Adell. I guess Jordyn Adams too.

 

Marsh and Adell are going to be our two corner outfielders in the extremely near future. So you can't trade them or the outfield is dog shit. You don't want to trade Rodriguez/Detmers/Canning since, you know, we're needing pitching. That leaves Adams as our only high-value guy left, and he is not at peak value, not even close.

 

A trade isn't really feasible right now.

[Angel Oracle]

They can’t be serious about drafting a HS SS/P or HS C with the #10 pick?

Guess the pitching will never, eeever be fixed.

[Angels 1961]

28 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

The only high value assets we have to trade are Rodriguez, Detmers, Canning, Marsh, and Adell. I guess Jordyn Adams too.

 

Marsh and Adell are going to be our two corner outfielders in the extremely near future. So you can't trade them or the outfield is dog shit. You don't want to trade Rodriguez/Detmers/Canning since, you know, we're needing pitching. That leaves Adams as our only high-value guy left, and he is not at peak value, not even close.

 

A trade isn't really feasible right now.

Mike Trout your top asset before he becomes too old. Get young pitching use money saved from his contract and Pujols to fill other needs

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

Mike Trout your top asset before he becomes too old. Get young pitching use money saved from his contract and Pujols to fill other needs

Stop this crap already. Don't you ever learn? 

[stormngt]

3 hours ago, Angels Fan Forever said:

Well,

Ohtani and Canning will be in the rotation so the plan will be to build around them.

Resigning Options:

Bundy, Cobb

Inside Options:

Sandoval, Rodriguez and Detmers

Outside Options:

Scherzer, Lynn, Ray, Gray, Davies

 

Two years with 3.60 ERA or less

Four innings last night 1 hit 0 runs.  Yet Barria is not an option.

[Angels 1961]

31 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

And by drafting good ones to start with.

They make good trades. Scott Kazmir in 04, Matt Garza in 2007, flip Garza for Chris Archer in 2011 flip Archer for Glasnow and last off season Snell for top pitching prospect from San Diego. As soon as a pitcher becomes too expensive they flip them. Glasnow will be next.

[Angels 1961]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

Stop this crap already. Don't you ever learn? 

After 6 seasons of losing is what crap is. Next year will be the same as halos need so many pitchers. Same year after year after year. What do you suggest Lou?