Angels acquire Drew Butera, DFA Kruger

[tdawg87]

34 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Boomers I think went out of business

No, they just killed the housing market.

[happybat4]

He has 6 strike outs in 7 innings, he was brought in as a two way player like Ohtani.

[Pancake Bear]

Is Butera supposed to be good with pitchers? If his work with Canning tonight is any sign, he may be worth keeping around, even if he'll never hit. 

[mmc]

6 hours ago, Ray McKigney said:

Same with the one in Fountain Valley

Was really sad when I first heard this, my grad night was there in 2018.

[T.G.]

Face it, Krueger had bad hands.

[ten ocho recon scout]

On 5/7/2021 at 2:55 PM, jsnpritchett said:

Agreed.  Very curious to hear Pedro Martinez's thoughts on this move...

Or the dodgers beat writer

[rageous]

Butera with a 1.5 CERA while handling the worst starters in the rotation, Canning and Quintana.

Suzuki with a 14 CERA while handing Bundy since the trade.

Coincidence?

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, rageous said:

Butera with a 1.5 CERA while handling the worst starters in the rotation, Canning and Quintana.

Suzuki with a 14 CERA while handing Bundy since the trade.

Coincidence?

Maybe. I noticed that also. All I'm saying is I want Butera starting as much as possible going forward.

[Angels 1961]

Is Suzuki next in line for a DFA? Or will Minasian ties keep him here?

[Chuck]

On 5/7/2021 at 11:15 PM, Pancake Bear said:

Is Butera supposed to be good with pitchers? If his work with Canning tonight is any sign, he may be worth keeping around, even if he'll never hit. 

Well to be fair, Canning pitched 5 1/3 scoreless innings vs. the Mariners last Saturday and struck out nine batters. 

I think something just clicked with Griffin, but I'm totally fine with having an automatic out at C if he's going to improve our rotation and bullpen. 

Suzuki has been a HUGE disappointment. I had better hopes from him. 

[Bluegrampus]

This team need defense.

If Butera can improve our pitching performance, I welcome him with no bat. 

[DMVol]

11 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

Maybe. I noticed that also. All I'm saying is I want Butera starting as much as possible going forward.

You'd like to get Stassi back and healthy....

[Chuck]

10 hours ago, Bluegrampus said:

This team need defense.

If Butera can improve our pitching performance, I welcome him with no bat. 

[Angels 1961]

Only thing is Minasian has ties with Suzuki from ATL

[Angels 1961]

Butera 3 and 0 when he starts and his handling of pitchers has been excellent. 

[Docwaukee]

On 5/9/2021 at 7:50 PM, Pancake Bear said:

Maybe. I noticed that also. All I'm saying is I want Butera starting as much as possible going forward.

@jsnpritchett

curious why you gave this a facepalm.  To me he seems to handle the pitchers pretty well even though he can't hit worth a shit.  But Suzuki is pretty awful at both hitting and behind the plate right now.  I feel like the rapport between Butera and some of the young guys is actually pretty good where he sort of guides them through tough situations.  Like Suarez last night.  Who seemed ready to melt at any moment.  And Sandoval and Canning the other day.  Quintana as well.  Maybe it's small sample, but to me, there has been a noticeable difference in how the pitchers are getting through tough innings with Butera behind the plate vs. that of Suzuki.  

[jsnpritchett]

6 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

@jsnpritchett

curious why you gave this a facepalm.  To me he seems to handle the pitchers pretty well even though he can't hit worth a shit.  But Suzuki is pretty awful at both hitting and behind the plate right now.  I feel like the rapport between Butera and some of the young guys is actually pretty good where he sort of guides them through tough situations.  Like Suarez last night.  Who seemed ready to melt at any moment.  And Sandoval and Canning the other day.  Quintana as well.  Maybe it's small sample, but to me, there has been a noticeable difference in how the pitchers are getting through tough innings with Butera behind the plate vs. that of Suzuki.  

It's a small sample.  Butera has been pretty bad over the course of his career. I'm speaking mostly of offense, but I haven't seen much to indicate he's particularly good on defense, either.  Calling a game, calming people, etc is so subjective that I can't really take 3 games or whatever seriously. 

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

It's a small sample.  Butera has been pretty bad over the course of his career. I'm speaking mostly of offense, but I haven't seen much to indicate he's particularly good on defense, either.  Calling a game, calming people, etc is so subjective that I can't really take 3 games or whatever seriously. 

If it's subjective, then when does sample size matter?  I'm not sure either but he's been in the lineup three of the four games he's been around for and it seems to have had an impact when you watch and see what's going on during the game.  My point is, if it's subjective then then why not keep trying it until something different happens?  We know Suzuki hasn't added anything.  If Stassi was back then I'd be singing a different tune but for now, I want Butera in there over Kurt until the results change because subjectively, it's working.   

[Chuck]

22 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Only thing is Minasian has ties with Suzuki from ATL

I know Suzuki is going to catch tonight because of Ohtani, but seeing as how well Butera has worked with our staff thus far I'd love to see him catch Ohtani tonight. 

How many times will Suzuki let one pop off his glove or to his left or right or under his legs in tonight's game? How many SB's will he give up? His pitch framing is below average as well. 

[jsnpritchett]

14 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

If it's subjective, then when does sample size matter?  I'm not sure either but he's been in the lineup three of the four games he's been around for and it seems to have had an impact when you watch and see what's going on during the game.  My point is, if it's subjective then then why not keep trying it until something different happens?  We know Suzuki hasn't added anything.  If Stassi was back then I'd be singing a different tune but for now, I want Butera in there over Kurt until the results change because subjectively, it's working.   

Ok, that's fine.  I just have a different opinion. No big deal.  

I just hope Stassi can come back asap.

[T.G.]

Serious question... What does anyone here really know about pitch framing?

[WicketMaiden]

29 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Serious question... What does anyone here really know about pitch framing?

Catchers do it. It's really important. Some catchers don't do it as well as some other catchers. It will be totally redundant when robo-umps arrive. Umm... how am I doing? 

[jsnpritchett]

18 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Serious question... What does anyone here really know about pitch framing?

Nothing.  But for what it's worth, from what I gather from doing some searching this morning, Butera is typically right around league average or a little below.

Also, while I generally think catcher's ERA is a b.s. metric, there's not much there that indicates Butera does anything special, either.  For most of his career, his CERA has been higher than the team ERA, with the past couple of years in Colorado being exceptions (though who the hell can tell anything from any sort of pitching-related stats there...).

Again, not a huge deal one way or the other.  I just find it somewhat amusing that a few people on here seem to be latching on to him because of a couple games.  I don't remember people having the same reaction when we got him 6 years ago. 

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, WicketMaiden said:

Catchers do it. It's really important. Some catchers don't do it as well as some other catchers. It will be totally redundant when robo-umps arrive. Umm... how am I doing? 

I don't know.  I don't speak British.  

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, WicketMaiden said:

Catchers do it. It's really important. Some catchers don't do it as well as some other catchers. It will be totally redundant when robo-umps arrive. Umm... how am I doing? 

Looks like you're tryin' to cock it up, mate.