League & Union Reportedly "Closing In" On Deal For 2020 Season

[Inside Pitch]

6 minutes ago, RendZone said:

And when it’s all settled the huddled masses will return with their cash in hand ready and knowing that they’re going to get fleeced with higher ticket prices again. 

Does this include you?

[rafibomb]

Holy shit... I was firmly on the player's side the entire time but now I just think everyone fucking sucks in this entire situation. What an embarassment.

[DMVol]

14 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yep -- just STFU and either do what you said, or negotiate in private.  But please just STFU already.

Really hard to clamp it down in the 2020 world of social media.....negotiating through the media isn't new but so many media types now with sources....and the latest news comes out immediately, in real time...unless both sides are committed to a complete lock down on information, that's the world we now live in...Manfred really screwed up by putting that statement out yesterday....really dumb....he made an effort, directly with Clark, to get things done...good for both of them, long overdue....but they both needed to keep talking until it was done, no "framework" talk or media statements........hammer it out on games played or not....but no statements when the process was ongoing....Not that hard to understand....

[Stradling]

20 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Does this include you?

Yes but since he’s bitching about it he’s allowed to go back and watch.  

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yes but since he’s bitching about it he’s allowed to go back and watch.  

Looking forward to seeing that WELCOME BACK sign in RF on opening day.

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, RendZone said:

When I read that they’re considering selling advertising patches on their uniforms it just shows me the endless greed that the league is falling into. They’re lowering their standards for greedy purposes. Do they not have enough advertising at the stadium? They have tons of commercials that come with those TV contracts. Do they not have naming rights on stadiums? I’m fine with a little NIKE swoosh but come on. Baseball cannot be hurting that bad to the point of selling all of its traditions. 

This is why I have been generally pro player. The disagreement is ultimately about the owners expecting the players to take additional pay cuts because the owners profits aren't going to be so large this year. The poor owners are only going to make a small profit  Would someone please speak for the game?

[Stradling]

15 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

This is why I have been generally pro player. The disagreement is ultimately about the owners expecting the players to take additional pay cuts because the owners profits aren't going to be so large this year. The poor owners are only going to make a small profit  Would someone please speak for the game?

It used to be the commissioner that used to speak for the game.  Then that position turned into spokesman for the owner.  Baseball isn’t better for it.  

[AngelsLakersFan]

37 minutes ago, Stradling said:

It used to be the commissioner that used to speak for the game.  Then that position turned into spokesman for the owner.  Baseball isn’t better for it.  

Sadly true. At least they could make the spokesman for the owners be a fan of the game.

[Slegnaac]

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

The “when and where” was when they were done negotiating and figured the commissioner would implement the 50 game season.  Once they offered full prorated pay for 60 games they figured they’d continue to negotiate.   Then again I was criticized for calling this a negotiation.  

Negotiating

Blackmail

[Chuck]

 

[Chuck]

 

 

[Inside Pitch]

3 hours ago, m0nkey said:

No, he still has to represent the players and do whatever is best for them. When they say when and where though, I’m sure many thought they’d take any offer that included 100% prorated because that’s been reported as the big issue. When they’re offered 60 games at 100% and come back for more (which they are entitled to do, as you mentioned it’s part of negotiating) it contradicts the whole when and where piece the players were so quick to shout the other day. 

As Strad said.... "When and where" was the players response to no more negotiating.  The owners then sent another proposal.  Essentially they ignored the "when and where" and kept trying to get the deal they wanted....  It's good they want to continue to negotiate, but the taking everything to the media is lame.

When push comes to shove "When and where" is still there.  If MLB ultimately chooses to walk away or cancel the season then it's a case of them having refused to honor the March 26 agreement.  My guess is people will go back to this offer and declare the players lied and are greedy.

[Inside Pitch]

14 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

Lol..  People understand that ownership is concerned with the second wave only because it might scuttle the postseason, where the lions share of the revenue goes to the owners, right?   

They are interested in protecting their interests...   It's fine, it's a business but FFS, own it already.  It's not like the MLBPA is hiding what it wants.

[Pancake Bear]

19 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

So Manfred knows 70 won’t work because of Covid, but 60 games is just fine. He knows those ten days four months from now will be so big a problem that it’s a dealbreaker. Does he think we’re idiots? Nobody is that stupid, Robbo.

18 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

 

Geez, we are going to lose this over ten games. Ten. Games. What the fark are you self-absorbed windbags on about? This isn’t hard, either ask for some concessions from the union to make the extra up front dough worth it or offer to give up something to lose ten games, or figure out a way to meet in the middle. This. Isn’t. Hard. Unless you’re children who can only have things your own way. What a pile of monkey poo. 

[Inside Pitch]

Strad linked me to https://mobile.twitter.com/EugeneFreedman, dude has been doing a really great job of breaking down into and calling out the BS.   Also a really good job of pointing out how the leaks and negotiating in the press is just garbage.

[fan_since79]

Dateline: August 31, 2020.

MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred today announced the details of the owners' latest proposal to bring baseball back again. A 20-game season with two weeks of playoffs, and 85% of each player's prorated salary, with postseason bonuses. "This is an extremely fair deal which I hope the players will embrace, so we can start playing baseball again. The fans deserve nothing less than our mutual cooperation." The head of the players' union could not be reached for comment.

 

[Duren, Duren]

Play a significant number of doubleheaders. More games, the same number of days. Even shorten the second game to 7 innings to save some wear and tear. If the rosters are expanded there will be enough players to rotate and platoon. 

All teams will be in the same position, and depth will be rewarded.

Tweaking the game temporarily under these unprecedented circumstances is understandable. In Australian Rules Football (a great spectator sport, btw) they have shortened the length of their games by 20%. Also with no fans in the stands and some other changes. The games are still full intense crazy and exciting.

[AngelsLakersFan]

9 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

Play a significant number of doubleheaders. More games, the same number of days. Even shorten the second game to 7 innings to save some wear and tear. If the rosters are expanded there will be enough players to rotate and platoon. 

All teams will be in the same position, and depth will be rewarded.

Tweaking the game temporarily under these unprecedented circumstances is understandable. In Australian Rules Football (a great spectator sport, btw) they have shortened the length of their games by 20%. Also with no fans in the stands and some other changes. The games are still full intense crazy and exciting.

The problem isn’t the days, it’s that the owners don’t want to pay the players to play the games.

[Lou]

7 hours ago, Stradling said:

You might be the only one on the owners side who doesn’t.  Or else the term greedy wouldn’t be used to describe the players. 

Again, I don't give a shit about who gets what in this ordeal. 

[HaloBronco]

8 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

The only logical one for the Cheatin Asstros:

VERY NICE!

A throwback from 1976, a vintage year. 

 

Well Done

[m0nkey]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

As Strad said.... "When and where" was the players response to no more negotiating.  The owners then sent another proposal.  Essentially they ignored the "when and where" and kept trying to get the deal they wanted....  It's good they want to continue to negotiate, but the taking everything to the media is lame.

When push comes to shove "When and where" is still there.  If MLB ultimately chooses to walk away or cancel the season then it's a case of them having refused to honor the March 26 agreement.  My guess is people will go back to this offer and declare the players lied and are greedy.

Can you dumb it down for me? What’s the difference between the when and where deal (50 games, 100% prorated pay) vs the owners proposal yesterday (60 games, 100% prorated pay)?  Isn’t that a better deal than what they were willing to show up to?

[beatlesrule]

This is about to happen to me

[Lou]

4 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

So Manfred knows 70 won’t work because of Covid, but 60 games is just fine. He knows those ten days four months from now will be so big a problem that it’s a dealbreaker. Does he think we’re idiots? Nobody is that stupid, Robbo

It's amazing, isn't it?

[Angel Oracle]

5 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Sadly true. At least they could make the spokesman for the owners be a fan of the game.

Does Manfred even understand how baseball works?

What is so magical about the 37% that the owners refuse to budge on.   Today’s MLBPA 70 game proposal only increases that to 43%.

Afraid of DHs?   Okay, make it 66 games without DHs, same amt of weeks (11), season concludes first week of October, and players get a day off each week.

You’re billionaires, owners.  Act like it.

Edited June 19, 2020 by Angel Oracle

[Inside Pitch]

57 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Can you dumb it down for me? What’s the difference between the when and where deal (50 games, 100% prorated pay) vs the owners proposal yesterday (60 games, 100% prorated pay)?  Isn’t that a better deal than what they were willing to show up to?

I guess the question is... what are they giving up to get those ten games?   Is the amount they are going to earn greater than what they would get via filing a grievance?   We would have to know more of the specifics to really say whether it's better for them than just sticking to the March agreement. 

What we do know is ownership is trying to keep the numbers of games played DOWN to maximize their profit margins via playoff revenue -- which is why they are bargaining for expanded playoffs and asking the players to waive their right to file a grievance...  Basically they are telling the players --  play less regular season games where you actually get paid so we can play more playoff games where we reap the biggest benefit.   As has been pointed out before, the players share of playoff revenue under normal conditions is purely tired to gate receipts from the first three games of the ALDS and then the first four games of the CS and WS.   Meanwhile ownership gets money for all the games.    As it stands now, there will be zero gate receipts and whatever ownership is offering as the player's cut must not be enough to pass on guaranteed money for regular season games.   Beyond that....  This article attempted to shine light on what the previous "offers" from MLB amounted to.  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mlb-owners-say-they-could-lose-4-billion-even-if-games-are-played-does-that-math-add-up/ The difference in 10 games ups the percentage the players would get from the 24% of their full season pay, but well short of the 40% people are estimating they want to come close to.

There are a lot of moving parts and a lot of stuff we don't know which is why I think they both sides should STFU, hammer out a deal or play the minimum number of games they already have an agreement for.