Pitcher List on Angels starters in 2020

[halodground]

2020 Breakout Bundy 

18-9

3.68 ERA

170 k

126 ERA+

188 IP

WHIP 1.07

@Lou

 

[Tank]

7 hours ago, halodground said:

2020 Breakout Bundy 

18-9

3.68 ERA

170 k

126 ERA+

188 IP

WHIP 1.07

@Lou

 

I consider myself an optimist, but wow, this is pretty darn impressive.

[Bronson]

1 minute ago, Tank said:

I consider myself an optimist, but wow, this is pretty darn impressive.

 

This man approves.

[Lou]

Has anyone heard from Gubi lately?

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

Has anyone heard from Gubi lately?

So...I guess reality is setting in?

[Pancake Bear]

If the Dodgers swing a trade for Betts/Price, are they going to want to flip Price or do they want to keep him? I've been assuming the latter, but it's possible they may try to save some cash and flip Price to another team (assuming the first deal goes through).

[Docwaukee]

53 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

If the Dodgers swing a trade for Betts/Price, are they going to want to flip Price or do they want to keep him? I've been assuming the latter, but it's possible they may try to save some cash and flip Price to another team (assuming the first deal goes through).

if betts would cost more in prospect capital by himself than he would by taking on a decent chunk of Price's money, then it would make sense that if Price were flipped to someone else and that team took on the commitment the dogs were willing to then they'd have to include a prospect to get rid of him.  

[Blarg]

On 1/28/2020 at 1:01 PM, failos said:

what an idiotic writer

From this first response to 8 pages of discussion. Good topic @Pancake Bear

[Vlad27Trout27]

If out starters can average 5-6 solid inning's per start. and than hand the lead over to the Bullpen. I truly believe that this team has a chance to around a 85-90 win team.  

[mmc]

 

[tdawg87]

Lol Gubi

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, mymerlincat said:

 

 

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

Lol Gubi

Waiting for all the fans to go on twitter and tell Gubi he’s a homer, not objective, and needs to accept reality.

[Stradling]

Here’s another one Scotty will hate:

 

[tdawg87]

I mean that's essentially every starting pitcher in baseball. So Teheran is one of the worst, apparently, and Sandoval is not much better. 

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I mean that's essentially every starting pitcher in baseball. So Teheran is one of the worst, apparently, and Sandoval is not much better. 

I don’t like the list because at some point you have to take history into account of how someone will do.  So doing that then Bundy is a #5 and Teheran is a #3.  

[tdawg87]

There's no way Teheran is one of the 13 worst starting pitchers in baseball. And Sandoval is generally well liked by a lot of scouts. 

Heaney being rated over Ohtani is probably because of track record.

Meh. I like The Athletic for the most part, but that's a shitty list. Canning is the only ranking I agree with. 

[Inside Pitch]

Sarris is purely a numbers guy -- so, he's got some projection system he buys into and none of the projection systems buy into Teheran -- he's always outperformed his periphs.

Canning, Sandoval, etc..  Those are the guys projection systems are least reliable for -- MLEs don't always translate into actual MLB production and given the changes with the balls and such, the most recent minor league projections are probably going to be wonky for a couple more years.

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Sarris is purely a numbers guy -- so, he's got some projection system he buys into and none of the projection systems buy into Teheran -- he's always outperformed his periphs.

Canning, Sandoval, etc..  Those are the guys projection systems are least reliable for -- MLEs don't always translate into actual MLB production and given the changes with the balls and such, the most recent minor league projections are probably going to be wonky for a couple more years.

Thank you for explaining it.

[Docwaukee]

there are 41 pitchers with at least 1000ip over the last 7 years.  Teheran has outperformed his FIP by 0.58 runs during that time which puts him as #1 on the list.  It's clearly become a repeatable skill for him.  Which means it also makes sense that he leads that group in FDP-wins over that time with 9.0.  The next closest is Greinke with 8.9.  

[Hubs]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Here’s another one Scotty will hate:

 

So obviously I think Ohtani and Teheran are low.

But a #2, two borderline 2/3's, a 3, and a two 5's is not a terrible rotation, it's just not a great one either.

[Stradling]

5 minutes ago, Hubs said:

So obviously I think Ohtani and Teheran are low.

But a #2, two borderline 2/3's, a 3, and a two 5's is not a terrible rotation, it's just not a great one either.

Right and we have all of our prospects to go after whomever might be available at the deadline.  

[Taylor]

I like how everyone assumes Ohtani is going to be mediocre from the mound. How soon we forget how dominant he was when he was healthy.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Taylor

[Blarg]

Soon? It's been a year and a half. 

[Angel Oracle]

The concern with Ohtani isn't the stuff, it's whether his arm can handle making 26 starts after pitching just 51 innings over the past two seasons plus very limited innings in Japan in 2017. 

[rafibomb]

Let's add Stripling to the discussion now.

Where the heck has Scotty been?