Are we done?

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Do we? I think we have Pena and uhhh

I mean you could argue any SP could become a reliever.

Yeah, any of the young guys could fill this role... We really only need one or two stretched out in the minors to cover for injury. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

Yeah, any of the young guys could fill this role... We really only need one or two stretched out in the minors to cover for injury. 

This is the Angels. We need 21 pitchers to cover for injury.

[TroutCron]

5 hours ago, stormngt said:

We have two new starting pitchers.  We signed an impact 3b for the offense.  We have more outfielders than we need.  We seem to have more middle infielders than we need.  We signed our catcher.

Therefore are we done?  Will the any other acquisition from here on out only going to be minor improvements?

Have you been following the Angels for long? The Angels always are near the top of the injured list. A lot of times over the course of 162 games, the teams with playable depth are often the winners. Depth is a good thing. 

[Claude]

31 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I don't really see much value there. We have plenty of those guys.

Value Village 

Edited January 11, 2020 by RendZone

[Second Base]

50 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

he'll get a SP/RP option.  Someone who can move to the pen if needed and pitch in two inning stints.  

So like Stratton..... Awesome. 

[Stradling]

17 minutes ago, Second Base said:

So like Stratton..... Awesome. 

Yes just like him.  That is exactly who everyone was thinking about.  

[Inside Pitch]

53 minutes ago, Second Base said:

So like Stratton..... Awesome. 

Or JC Ramirez and Felix Pena.

Two guys that gave the Angels almost 400 innings of 4.25 ERA baseball after being picked up off the discard pile.

They have done ok finding "swing-man" type pitchers.

 

 

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Or JC Ramirez and Felix Pena.

Two guys that gave the Angels almost 400 innings of 4.25 ERA baseball after being picked up off the discard pile.

They have done ok finding "swing-man" type pitchers.

 

 

But that was before Eppler deserved to be fired. 

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

But that was before a Eppler deserved time be fired. 

Well said.

[Stradling]

Holy shit

[Pancake Bear]

Stratton was actually pretty good. Unfortunately it was after he left us. 

[ukyah]

8 hours ago, Tank said:

negatory, ghostrider, the pattern is full.

are you like known as the the guy who butchers movie quotes?

[Tank]

9 minutes ago, ukyah said:

are you like known as the the guy who butchers movie quotes?

I doubt it.

maybe I said it that way so I wouldn't get sued by tom cruise.

[Drink More Yakult]

5 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Maybe, but that's being optimistic, there is no reason to think that is the median outcome. I'd be happy with that for sure, you can't expect better than that, but I'd like to balance the downside risk of Barria, etc not reaching the 1.5 war mark with some upside. 

Let’s say we get a quality start every game next year. That would be pretty optimistic. 6 innings a game for 162 games is 972 innings of 4.50 ERA. Bundy and Teheran have basically had a 4.50 combined ERA for 350 combined innings over the past 3 years. So now we’re looking for 620 innings. You’ve chalked up 200 to Barria, Suarez and Peters. Throw ‘em max effort you can get 66 innings of 4.5 out of them.

Down to 420 innings and Ohtani, Heaney, Canning, and Sandoval. Can they get 105 innings averaged at 4.50 ERA between them?

[Rico]

I'm thinking we go 4th outfielder from within as we wait for Adell.  One of Walsh, Hermosillo, Ward, or Lund will step up and win the job.

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

I'm thinking we go 4th outfielder from within as we wait for Adell.  One of Walsh, Hermosillo, Ward, or Lund will step up and win the job.

I suspect - depending on any trades that might happen (Gubi says a trade for SP will come before Spring Training) - those names you listed have the inside track pre-Adell, since he likely won't start Opening Day.

Hermosillo will have to hit his way onto the team because he lacks to flexibility of Walsh and Ward. The latter two both have a solid shot, depending how their spring goes and whether we want an extra 1B or 3B.

[totdprods]

8 hours ago, Rico said:

I'm thinking we go 4th outfielder from within as we wait for Adell.  One of Walsh, Hermosillo, Ward, or Lund will step up and win the job.

Walsh and Ward aren’t CF, and Lund isn’t on the 40.

I agree that Hermosillo has a strong shot at the 4th OF, but it’s probably also important in terms of 40-man flexibility to have an OF with options parked at SLC, so they can pull up an OF when needed without having to make any DFAs from the 26 or 40. That’s why I think there’s a reasonable shot they still still a vet 4th OF. 

Entirely possible that, since Goodwin can play CF, they utilize Fletcher in RF some as well, especially if it gets more AB for La Stella.

Sort of depends on who lands on the bench. Thaiss isn’t playing OF. Ward kind of can. Walsh as well, but not much. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

19 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

This is the Angels. We need 21 pitchers to cover for injury.

I mean all at once. The rest of the young guys can cover middle relief until they are needed in the rotation.

[AngelsLakersFan]

13 hours ago, Drink More Yakult said:

Let’s say we get a quality start every game next year. That would be pretty optimistic. 6 innings a game for 162 games is 972 innings of 4.50 ERA. Bundy and Teheran have basically had a 4.50 combined ERA for 350 combined innings over the past 3 years. So now we’re looking for 620 innings. You’ve chalked up 200 to Barria, Suarez and Peters. Throw ‘em max effort you can get 66 innings of 4.5 out of them.

Down to 420 innings and Ohtani, Heaney, Canning, and Sandoval. Can they get 105 innings averaged at 4.50 ERA between them?

On that last group I think the era will be better than 4.50, but ~105 innings each is about what I expect out of them. The real question is, can Barria, Suarez and Peter stay in the games they start long enough to reach that 200 inning total. 

[greginpsca]

19 hours ago, RendZone said:

Value Village 

Jerry Dipoto's day job.

[Troll Daddy]

Until the Angels get a top of the rotation pitcher ... we’re not done. 

[Pancake Bear]

14 hours ago, Drink More Yakult said:

Let’s say we get a quality start every game next year. That would be pretty optimistic. 6 innings a game for 162 games is 972 innings of 4.50 ERA. Bundy and Teheran have basically had a 4.50 combined ERA for 350 combined innings over the past 3 years. So now we’re looking for 620 innings. You’ve chalked up 200 to Barria, Suarez and Peters. Throw ‘em max effort you can get 66 innings of 4.5 out of them.

Down to 420 innings and Ohtani, Heaney, Canning, and Sandoval. Can they get 105 innings averaged at 4.50 ERA between them?

Only four teams got 900+ innings from their rotation last year. None hit 972. 

If we were a top five rotation, I’d say 900 innings is fair. We aren’t, so it isn’t. 

850 is probably around where you want to be targeting for SP innings. 

[Second Base]

11 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Only four teams got 900+ innings from their rotation last year. None hit 972. 

If we were a top five rotation, I’d say 900 innings is fair. We aren’t, so it isn’t. 

850 is probably around where you want to be targeting for SP innings. 

Again, so much of the outcome is dependent upon the quality of those innings.

[Pancake Bear]

20 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Again, so much of the outcome is dependent upon the quality of those innings.

Sure, my point was simply that targeting 970 innings is unrealistic since no one has that. Few teams even come close. 

[Nolan Fregosi]

Sadly, when a franchise that needs pitching opts to NOT draft pitching for YEARS, it’s pretty difficult to rely on a young crew coming to save the day any time soon.  If it’s NOT via free agency (and we know it’s not now)...you trade.  
 

If Adell gets you Clevinger - you  do it...if Marsh plus gets you Gray...you do it.  This club is meant to win now...or next...not in five years!  Already wasted Trout’s contributions the last half decade.  
 

Adell could be the next Braandon Wood...no one knows.  I’m willing to risk for a couple of top rotation guys.

suck it up...and do it Eppler!