Predict Cole contract

[Revad]

7 years/$225 million with a player opt-out after 4 years $140 million.  December 15.

[Pancake Bear]

39 minutes ago, Revad said:

7 years/$225 million with a player opt-out after 4 years $140 million.  December 15.

Doubtful. Angels would have to backload the contract, and it’s doubtful Cole would be interested in an opt out unless it was 2-3 years. But that would require front loading, and the Angels can’t do that or they’ll get no other quality pitchers.

[Troll Daddy]

Yankees will try to sign him. Tanaka their highest paid pitcher comes off the books after 2020 season. They have about $50M coming off their books now. 

My guess is 7yrs/$225M

 

[eligrba]

Yankees for lots of money.

[tomsred]

Yankees for 7 years $238M.

[Vlad27Trout27]

with the way he performing, I'd say he going to get that paycheck...

Angels 

7yrs/ 220mil with bonus that will bring it up to 240 mil, without an option out.

24+30+40+37+35+ 27+27= 220 mil

[Vlad27Trout27]

Pay the man Arte

[kevinb]

Here’s a question. Does Cole get an opt out after year 2-3?

[Pancake Bear]

20 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

Here’s a question. Does Cole get an opt out after year 2-3?

If it’s with us, nom because we would have to backload the contract. So I don’t think we could make that work. That’s assuming Cole even wants to come here after the latest report. 

[Lou]

several years/a shitload of money

[Lou]

7 hours ago, Kevinb said:

Here’s a question. Does Cole get an opt out after year 2-3?

not from Arte 

[tdawg87]

1 year, 100 million dollars

[TheUPSman]

I posted this in another thread about hoping Cole choked game 5 and of course he didn't but an MLB annalist thinks Cole could be the first 40 mil a year pitcher and with Boras as his agent he could very well get it.

[Pancake Bear]

14 minutes ago, TheUPSman said:

I posted this in another thread about hoping Cole choked game 5 and of course he didn't but an MLB annalist thinks Cole could be the first 40 mil a year pitcher and with Boras as his agent he could very well get it.

Not a chance. 35 would be the absolute most, and that's a stretch. Compare what everyone was saying about Bryce and Manny. They didn't come close to contract expectations. Analysts get paid for hot takes. There's not a chance he gets over 35 unless a lot is deferred. Even then, it won't be much over. 

Boras as an agent is overrated. His success in recent years has diminished substantially. He used to be hot stuff for two reasons:

First, people didn't know enough to recognize his client pitch was full of crap - front offices are far smarter now. They have their value for the player set and don't usually go much beyond it.

Second, more importantly, Boras went straight to the owners as much as possible. These days, with Illitch and Steinbrenner gone and the Nats working on keeping Strasburg, there aren't enough owners who want to go big to bid against each other. 

[greginpsca]

6 year $190m, plus a 7th year option for $35m. And a opt-out after year 3.

[T.G.]

Love that he called the Yankees the "evil empire"

[Angel Oracle]

On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 12:59 AM, Sean-Regan said:

Not a chance. 35 would be the absolute most, and that's a stretch. Compare what everyone was saying about Bryce and Manny. They didn't come close to contract expectations. Analysts get paid for hot takes. There's not a chance he gets over 35 unless a lot is deferred. Even then, it won't be much over. 

Boras as an agent is overrated. His success in recent years has diminished substantially. He used to be hot stuff for two reasons:

First, people didn't know enough to recognize his client pitch was full of crap - front offices are far smarter now. They have their value for the player set and don't usually go much beyond it.

Second, more importantly, Boras went straight to the owners as much as possible. These days, with Illitch and Steinbrenner gone and the Nats working on keeping Strasburg, there aren't enough owners who want to go big to bid against each other. 

Weave will always get major points for going against Boras, when signing the hometown discount extension with the Halos.

[Claude]

2 hours ago, True Grich said:

Love that he called the Yankees the "evil empire"

Love that he has the root of all evil agent representing him. 

[Dtwncbad]

On 10/12/2019 at 1:33 PM, Sean-Regan said:

If it’s with us, nom because we would have to backload the contract. So I don’t think we could make that work. That’s assuming Cole even wants to come here after the latest report. 

Why exactly do you say the Angels would have to backload a contract?

[Pancake Bear]

54 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Why exactly do you say the Angels would have to backload a contract?

They won't be able to afford 35mil (or more if it was frontloaded) based on their payroll unless Arte goes berserk with the budget. They'd have to pass on Cole and go with someone else. That, or look for another pitcher on the trade market. But that would damage the team's future. I tend to doubt they go that route.

[Docwaukee]

remember when Harper was going to get 40m per or Trout was going to get 50m per?  

[T.G.]

[tdawg87]

57 minutes ago, Sean-Regan said:

They won't be able to afford 35mil (or more if it was frontloaded) based on their payroll unless Arte goes berserk with the budget. They'd have to pass on Cole and go with someone else. That, or look for another pitcher on the trade market. But that would damage the team's future. I tend to doubt they go that route.

Actually, 35 million would put them at 169 million, roughly. Arte has kept the payroll at 160-170 million for a while.

I don't think Cole gets $35 anyway.

[Pancake Bear]

10 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Actually, 35 million would put them at 169 million, roughly. Arte has kept the payroll at 160-170 million for a while.

I don't think Cole gets $35 anyway.

That’s why I said that theoretically they could do that, but only if that’s their only acquisition in free agency or Arte opens his wallet. Guys with opt outs in their contracts usually have front loaded deals. Hence the 35mil.

Regardless, if they sign Cole, it will probably be backloaded. 

[Dtwncbad]

5 hours ago, Sean-Regan said:

They won't be able to afford 35mil (or more if it was frontloaded) based on their payroll unless Arte goes berserk with the budget. They'd have to pass on Cole and go with someone else. That, or look for another pitcher on the trade market. But that would damage the team's future. I tend to doubt they go that route.

Thanks for explaining your thoughts.  I personally don’t see any need to backload.  They just need to decide if they want to pay what it takes to get him.  Also the player may be quite interested in not backloading, especially if they have any interest in working in an opt out.