Betts for Adell?

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Calzone 2 said:

This place is going to go apeshit if Adell ends up being more of a “Prime Melvin” type.

People would be upset to have a guy with a career OPS+ in the 120 range after 13 years?   I must be overestimating the intelligence of Angels fans.   

Just a reminder...  Angels top 10 Adjusted OPS+

.	Mike Trout	176
2.	Vladimir Guerrero	141
3.	Fred Lynn	128
	Tim Salmon	128
5.	Brian Downing	126
6.	Bobby Grich	124
	Leon Wagner	124
8.	Chili Davis	123
9.	Torii Hunter	122
10.	Wally Joyner	121

11 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If Adell has the career Upton is having then he will be the 2nd best Angel of all time.  

If you mean home-grown Angels, then Salmon is probably number 2.  Still, if the worst thing that could be said about "Future Melvin" is that he was the third best Angels position player ever drafted after Trout and Salmon, then you're not really saying anything bad.

[Angelsjunky]

3 hours ago, VariousCrap said:

 

Mookie is awesome. Don't be a stupid.

That said,  I don't trade Adell for anyone.

Anyone? What about Ronald Acuna, Vlad Guerrero, Juan Soto, Fernando Tatis, Walker Buehler, and a few others?

[disarcina]

our time table is more along the lines of Adell's career time than Mookie Betts.

I don't see us being legitimate serious perennial contenders again until Pujols' playing contract is off the table and we can sign some top quality starters for the rotation.

so -- let's have Adell under club control for four five seasons and then try to extend him if he lives up to the build up over his upside.

Trout, Ohtani and Adell -- that's a pretty good core of players, Add some pitching,

[nate]

1 minute ago, calscuf said:

Oh shit, I hope Nate doesn’t get his ass kicked.

I've never been a meme before

[Claude]

54 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

People would be upset to have a guy with a career OPS+ in the 120 range after 13 years?   I must be overestimating the intelligence of Angels fans.   

Just a reminder...  Angels top 10 Adjusted OPS+

.	Mike Trout	176
2.	Vladimir Guerrero	141
3.	Fred Lynn	128
	Tim Salmon	128
5.	Brian Downing	126
6.	Bobby Grich	124
	Leon Wagner	124
8.	Chili Davis	123
9.	Torii Hunter	122
10.	Wally Joyner	121

If you mean home-grown Angels, then Salmon is probably number 2.  Still, if the worst thing that could be said about "Future Melvin" is that he was the third best Angels position player ever drafted after Trout and Salmon, then you're not really saying anything bad.

I’m talking about (Melvin aka BJ Upton) not Justin Upton. 

[Inside Pitch]

16 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

I’m talking about (Melvin aka BJ Upton) not Justin Upton.

I

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, Calzone 2 said:

So you’re betting on Adell to put up MVP type numbers at some point in his career. Not that it matters because Boston wouldn’t bet on that. 

No, I wouldn't bet one that.

What I would bet on is the fact Betts will hit FA in roughly a year....

.... to trade a guy considered the number 2 or 3 prospect in baseball for a guy whos a FA after one year would be extremely stupid.

And I guarantee Boston would listen if the proposal popped up this winter. Their alternative is a draft pick. Once he hits FA.

If trout hadnt resigned, and had made it clear he was hitting FA, what youre saying is we shouldnt try to grab one of the most highly touted prospects out there in return for him?...

Its that kind of shortsighted thinking that got us into this mess. 

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, Calzone 2 said:

This place is going to go apeshit if Adell ends up being more of a “Prime Melvin” type.

As tdawg pointed out already, Upton in his prime averaged about a 130 OPS+. Nobody here is going to freak out about that.

And aside from last season, thats slightly above Mookies....

[Claude]

2 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

As tdawg pointed out already, Upton in his prime averaged about a 130 OPS+. Nobody here is going to freak out about that.

And aside from last season, thats slightly above Mookies....

As I pointed out, I wasn’t talking about Justin, I was talking about his brother. 

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

As I pointed out, I wasn’t talking about Justin, I was talking about his brother. 

Haha literally nobody is going to believe that.

[Claude]

5 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Haha literally nobody is going to believe that.

I definitely said “Prime Melvin” and Justin’s brother is who I was referring to. Adell is a talented prospect but people better be careful about touting him for greatness because it might not happen because life.....

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Haha literally nobody is going to believe that.

Not a single sole believes that.  

[Tank]

10 hours ago, nate said:

Man, there are some people on this board that must smoke some primo weed.

easily found in any INO parking lot.

[Inside Pitch]

40 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

I definitely said “Prime Melvin” and Justin’s brother is who I was referring to.

 

[Cdaniel]

If the argument is that you can work Betts extension into the long term plans for the Angels then keep Adell and sign Betts as a FA.

[zenmaster]

Haters gonna hate but we can only hope that Adell becomes anywhere near what Betts has been so far.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, zenmaster said:

Haters gonna hate but we can only hope that Adell becomes anywhere near what Betts has been so far.

Absolutely right.  

[Blarg]

10 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

... to trade a guy considered the number 2 or 3 prospect in baseball for a guy whos a FA after one year would be extremely stupid.

That should have been the end to the discussion on the first page and yet it has to be said continuously. We have a bunch of thickheaded people on this board.

[m0nkey]

1 hour ago, zenmaster said:

Haters gonna hate but we can only hope that Adell becomes anywhere near what Betts has been so far.

Jo Adell could be so good.  Jo Adell could be so good, he could be as good as Mookie Betts. 

[Blarg]

He could be better. 

[m0nkey]

7 minutes ago, Blarg said:

He could be better. 

Yes I suppose he could be better than 7.6 WAR per 162 games like Betts has been since his first full year. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

16 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Mookie is from Nashville so he'll obviously want to play for the Braves.  

Trout is from New Jersey so he'll obviously want to play for the Phillies.

Harper is from Las Vegas so he'll obviously want to play for the Dbacks...

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by Ace-Of-Diamonds

[Docwaukee]

15 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Porcello a FA, JD potentially one in 2019, and then Betts and Bradley both looming in 2021.  

Devers, Benintendi, Travis, Chavis and Bogaerts is a nice core of position players but yeah -- minus Betts and JD Martinez they would have a rough go of things in the AL East.

Toronto and Tampa are doing a really nice job of setting themselves up to compete.

the Red Sox have the luxury of buying their way out of that problem but starting pitching will be a problem for them.  They've already got a ton of money dedicated to Price and Sale.  Now with Sale's injury and Price performing like an ok middle of the rotation guy at best, it's gonna be interesting to see what they do.  

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

MLB trade rumors: Red Sox dealing Mookie Betts to Cardinals or Braves?

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/08/mlb-trade-rumors-red-sox-dealing-mookie-betts-to-cardinals-or-braves.html

By Joe Giglio | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Cue the hysteria in Boston.

Red Sox right fielder Mookie Betts, one of baseball’s brightest young stars, could soon be on his way out of Fenway Park. With just one full year remaining on his deal, Betts is a logical name to include in trade rumors when the offseason arrives.

MLB insider and former general manager Jim Bowden named Betts as the No. 1 big name that could be dealt this winter in a piece for The Athletic.

Here’s where Bowden thinks Betts could land...

... Betts could take the Braves from very good, to a team that could win 100 games and rival the Dodgers for the top team in the National League. For St. Louis, Betts could be the missing piece in the NL Central and National League.

[Angel Oracle]

First priority is pitching, pitching, pitching.    Signing Betts a year from now will prevent them from bringing MUCH needed SOLID starting pitching in here.

ALL contenders generally have MUCH better starting pitching than the Halos have had over the past several years.