Jo Adell

[greginpsca]

To receive a September call up he needs to be on the 40 man roster, which he currently is not. The rules are changing in regards to September call ups. Not sure if it happens this year or next.

[failos]

6 hours ago, Stradling said:

Is that the same universe where you are an objective fan?  

No, it’s the universe where you don’t always play devil’s advocate.

[Second Base]

13 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Even though Adell is in his age 20 season, he's only 4 month older than Trout was in his age 19 season in 2011

Trout went from AA to a sept call up that year.  I totally forgot that Trout went to the AFL after his big league call up in 2011.  He sucked there btw.  

Adell's power is absurd.  The hr he hit last night was oppo to RCF in a park that lefties struggle to pull hrs.  And it was way out.  

Adell could get a cup of coffee in sept but you can bet that he'll start next year in the minors unless the rules change for service time.  

AA or AAA, whatever.  He contribute in the majors right now if they needed him.  But what they have is probably better than what he'd be right this second.  

They could also get him some AB's in the AFL this year if they don't think he's gotten enough due to his injury.  

You never know. Eppler may do what the Padres did with Tatis, which definitely creates some good will between the team and the player. 

In fact, I don't picture the Angels manipulating service time like that. 

[UndertheHalo]

I think it’s pretty simple.  If Calhoun is traded.  He’ll have a shot at coming up.  If there’s an injury in the OF he’ll have a shot.  If not, we’ll just see him 2 weeks into April next year.  

Edited June 22, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[ScottT]

Adell is definitely going back home to play when he can become a free agent. Not sure which football team he roots for, but I'm sure he will want to go to all of the games and be near his family. Enjoy it while it lasts

[gurn67]

Mobile has played two games since their all-star break. Adell went 5 for 7 with 2 HR's in the two games. In 14 games at Mobile he's putting up video game statistics in a pitching dominated league. Average Southern League batting average around .240. Slugging Percentage around .360.

BA .408

OBP .491

SLG .735

OPS 1.226

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 6/21/2019 at 7:59 AM, Inside Pitch said:

Because AA is actually the more difficult hitting environment?  Because he's had all of 50 at bats in AA -- even Mike Trout had almost 400 AA PAs.   Why do you think AAA will be any more of a challenge?

If that's true, how on earth does it make sense?

[Inside Pitch]

9 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

If that's true, how on earth does it make sense?

Which part?   If you're asking about AA .vs AAA, that's been answered already.   The PCL is a much friendlier hitting environment. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

13 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Which part?   If you're asking about AA .vs AAA, that's been answered already.   The PCL is a much friendlier hitting environment. 

But my definition AAA should have the better talent, so why don't they? Simply stating they don't doesn't help?

Edited June 22, 2019 by Ace-Of-Diamonds

[Angelsjunky]

37 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

But my definition AAA should have the better talent, so why don't they? Simply stating they don't doesn't help?

I think it is a number of factors. The overall talent level in AAA is probably higher, but not by a huge margin, and this is ameliorated by the hitting environments. 

Think of AA as the last major stop on the developmental path of a prospect. Once a player 'masters' AA, they're usually ready for the big leagues. Now they might spend time--even years--in AAA, but that's usually either to wait their turn (if they're not an elite prospect) or because they have some things they need to fine-tune. So, AA = last major stage of development, AAA = fine-tuning.

AAA is also a kind of extended bench for the major league teams, so there are a lot of major league caliber players - but a bunch of them are scrubs/replacement players. You'll probably find more top prospects in AA, considering that your average top prospect spends more time in AA than AAA.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

But my definition AAA should have the better talent, so why don't they? Simply stating they don't doesn't help?

But simply saying "it should be better" does?   Again, it's largely due to park indexes.

AJ summed it up pretty well, so I won't belabor it much other than double down on what he said... these days AAA is used more-so to add polish or have a player bide his time til a spot opens up than to truly develop.   I wouldn't say that's true of every team, or that it's true every year -- the minors aren't a static thing nor is the talent distribution, but that's where it's been going for a while now.   In the Angels case, the PCL is a significant challenge for our pitchers because of the parks and the elevations, the usage of MLB balls in AAA for the first time is also helpful towards their development.  But for our hitters it can actually create bad habits or mask their weaknesses.   If our AAA club were in the International League, it would be different ... the league tends to play much more neutral.

If you want more detailed info, there are articles at Baseball America and other sites that document the shifting minor league landscape and how more and more teams are holding their best age appropriate prospects at AA .vs AAA.  Like everything else in baseball things are changing and could change back.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Inside Pitch

[tdawg87]

Adell has a 12 inch dong 

[Inside Pitch]

55 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I think it is a number of factors. The overall talent level in AAA is probably higher, but not by a huge margin, and this is ameliorated by the hitting environments. 

Think of AA as the last major stop on the developmental path of a prospect. Once a player 'masters' AA, they're usually ready for the big leagues. Now they might spend time--even years--in AAA, but that's usually either to wait their turn (if they're not an elite prospect) or because they have some things they need to fine-tune. So, AA = last major stage of development, AAA = fine-tuning.

AAA is also a kind of extended bench for the major league teams, so there are a lot of major league caliber players - but a bunch of them are scrubs/replacement players. You'll probably find more top prospects in AA, considering that your average top prospect spends more time in AA than AAA.

The one big thing AAA will likely always have on AA is more physically mature talent and the things that come with it -- power/command/control.   But those things likely fall under the fine tuning category you spoke of.   For hitters it's said that plate discipline is the last thing to fully develop, so being in AAA where pitchers have better command/control -- they will be better able to improve their plate discipline than in AA where the guy with the live arm and no clue where it's going is getting outs by virtue of pure stuff, but the hitter can lay off stuff.  On the pitching side, there are more guys that can turn on a pitch and make them pay, so again.  Fine tuning .vs true development.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Inside Pitch

[Rico]

Adell is too good for minor league pitching.  It's not a challenge for him anymore.

[Blarg]

34 minutes ago, Rico said:

Adell is too good for minor league pitching.  It's not a challenge for him anymore.

It's a three week span. Really not the basis for determining a long term outcome.

I'm a huge Jo Adell fann but I want what's best for his future not his immediate present.

[tomsred]

7 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Adell has a 12 inch dong 

Yeah, but we're talking about if he knows how to use it, that's what counts.

[ScottT]

38 minutes ago, Blarg said:

It's a three week span. Really not the basis for determining a long term outcome.

I'm a huge Jo Adell fann but I want what's best for his future not his immediate present.

Agreed

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Randy Gradishar said:

Yes.

Someone finally got it.

[Troll Daddy]

Jo Adell can be very useful off the bench in September if the Angels are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. 

Figgins played a big role off the bench in 2002 with his speed. Adell plays a much bigger role with his speed and his bat. 

[ScottT]

1 for 5.

It's over

In all seriousness, if Calhoun wasn't doing ok or better, he may be up any day.  

[Chuck]

Do you guys think teams ever shy away from bringing up a player of Adell's caliber say in July/August to start in what would dissolve the player's chances for a rookie of the year shot the following season?

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Do you guys think teams ever shy away from bringing up a player of Adell's caliber say in July/August to start in what would dissolve the player's chances for a rookie of the year shot the following season?

Absolutely not.

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Absolutely not.

Yeah, I didn't think so either. 

I think if the team slips further in the standings and Kole Calhoun has solid numbers by July 31, in addition to Adell continuing to mash, you gotta look at giving him a couple months in the big leagues like what the Angels did with Trout, Glaus and other former top prospects to give them some major league experience heading into the next season -- which could be a dynamic team and overall roster.

[Lou]

Unlike keeping a player in the minors to gain an extra year of control, there is no benefit to the team by keeping him down to possibly win an award the following year. 

[Troll Daddy]

If you trade Calhoun then I wouldn’t have a hard time believing that Adell would take his spot on the field.