Tough Decision Time on Ohtani ?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

35 minutes ago, Tank said:

i want to go to a japanese tv game show. make it happen, doc.

#MeToo

[Rico]

I don't see us having 5 better starting pitchers on this roster.

[bloodbrother]

No chance Ohtani isn't on the opening day roster. The bigger decision is when they finally scrap the hitting charade for good because he just doesn't have the upside on that end to justify the reps needed there when he can focus on pitching...where he does actually have immense potential

 

[stormngt]

10 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

2006–2007

He made his MLB debut on May 27, 2006, starting against the Baltimore Orioles. He pitched seven shutout innings, striking out five, and earned the victory. This was followed with three more consecutive victories. Despite his success, when Bartolo Colón returned from the disabled list, Weaver was bumped out of the rotation and sent back down to the minors.

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He sent him down because Colon was coming off the DL. Weaver won his first 4 starts in impressive style. He didn't need anymore seasoning.

I think the original post was sarcasm towards Scioscia spin on why they sent down Jared when his brother Jeff stayed in the rotation despite being ineffective.

 

Sosh said Jared needed more seasoning.

[TroutField]

Lol kudos to salty ass Jeff Passan for 1. Jumping to all those conclusions based on 11 at bats in spring training after not playing baseball for over a year and 2. Finding a scout dumb enough to say you can’t learn in the majors. (Apparently everyone has to be fully developed before being put in the majors).. why does Jeff Passan hate the Angels so much? 

[Troll Daddy]

34 minutes ago, stormngt said:

I think the original post was sarcasm towards Scioscia spin on why they sent down Jared when his brother Jeff stayed in the rotation despite being ineffective.

 

Sosh said Jared needed more seasoning.

I wasn’t aware the Scioscia made roster decisions 

[Sherlock31]

28 minutes ago, TroutField said:

Lol kudos to salty ass Jeff Passan for 1. Jumping to all those conclusions based on 11 at bats in spring training after not playing baseball for over a year and 2. Finding a scout dumb enough to say you can’t learn in the majors. (Apparently everyone has to be fully developed before being put in the majors).. why does Jeff Passan hate the Angels so much? 

Who cares? Who the fxxx is Jeff Passan anyway?

[nando714]

Ohtani has looked over matched for about half his spring so far....at the plate and on the mound 

[nando714]

3 hours ago, bloodbrother said:

No chance Ohtani isn't on the opening day roster. The bigger decision is when they finally scrap the hitting charade for good because he just doesn't have the upside on that end to justify the reps needed there when he can focus on pitching...where he does actually have immense potential

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sportingnews.com/amp/mlb/news/mlb-spring-training-angels-shohei-ohtani-cant-hit-major-league-arms/rf62dsmd90sc1letvz23zc13j

high school hitter . “No learning on the job in the big leagues”

[Dtwncbad]

The actual minimum threshold to make the major league roster has nothing to do with his hitting.  All he has to be is projected as good enough to make starts as a pitcher.

[WeaverFever]

Just now, Dtwncbad said:

The actual minimum threshold to make the major league roster has nothing to do with his hitting.  All he has to be is projected as good enough to make starts as a pitcher.

It seems like everyone else wants to see him fail. 

[Dtwncbad]

Are these scouts who say he can't hit named?

So here is how this game is played.  A guy like Jeff Passan says stuff like this so he gets attention, then keeps the attention by talking about his insider knowledge of concerns in the swing, then if he makes it he reports his insider knowledge about how hard Ohtani worked in private to overcome these issues.

Jeff Passan gets to be a know it all and an insider no matter what happens.

I call bullshit.

[Chuck]

Fucking dumb.

These guys have seen what, 15 at bats and they're already writing him off as a hitter? 

[tdawg87]

Season over.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Just now, Chuckster70 said:

Fucking dumb.

These guys have seen what, 15 at bats and they're already writing him off as a hitter? 

Ohtani has as many hits as Trout this spring. Trout can't ML pitching either.

[Docwaukee]

17 minutes ago, nando714 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sportingnews.com/amp/mlb/news/mlb-spring-training-angels-shohei-ohtani-cant-hit-major-league-arms/rf62dsmd90sc1letvz23zc13j

high school hitter . “No learning on the job in the big leagues”

Thomas Lott is the author.  From his twitter page 'Still wondering if I'm in a dream or did the Astros win the WS?'.  

He might end up right, but these scouts have literally seen 10 plate appearances.  

Let's back out a minute and think about how hard it is to scout and how often guys are right after seeing a player all of twice.  

This also assumes that Ohtani never makes an adjustment or improves his swing mechanics or just gets better because of repetition.  Or that he's a tremendous baseball player who works hard and has adjusted pretty easily to other stuff in his baseball career.  Like that splitter.  

So maybe he becomes Joey Gallo at the plate.  

He's not Mike Trout, but remember when the high fastball was going to be his downfall?  

Talented players make adjustments.  He's 23.  

[Chuck]

3 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Thomas Lott is the author.  From his twitter page 'Still wondering if I'm in a dream or did the Astros win the WS?'.  

He might end up right, but these scouts have literally seen 10 plate appearances.  

Let's back out a minute and think about how hard it is to scout and how often guys are right after seeing a player all of twice.  

This also assumes that Ohtani never makes an adjustment or improves his swing mechanics or just gets better because of repetition.  Or that he's a tremendous baseball player who works hard and has adjusted pretty easily to other stuff in his baseball career.  Like that splitter.  

So maybe he becomes Joey Gallo at the plate.  

He's not Mike Trout, but remember when the high fastball was going to be his downfall?  

Talented players make adjustments.  He's 23.  

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[Blarg]

Scouts may have seen only 14 plate appearances from Ohtani but they have a catalogue of millions of swings spread over thousands of players to draw comparisons to. If they are saying what they have seen comps with players not ready for MLB major league play the butt hurt is coming from you guys. 

Ohtani looks over matched right now, two weeks into play. So do many other players that we know have MLB skills. I think the difference is the other players know where they need to be to hit at this level, Ohtani knows where he needs to be to hit in Japan. There is a gap he will need to fill in. 

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, TroutField said:

Lol kudos to salty ass Jeff Passan for 1. Jumping to all those conclusions based on 11 at bats in spring training after not playing baseball for over a year and 2. Finding a scout dumb enough to say you can’t learn in the majors. (Apparently everyone has to be fully developed before being put in the majors).. why does Jeff Passan hate the Angels so much? 

Passan is Jedi's boy...  Hes been a twat since he was run out of town....

[Glen]

2 hours ago, WeaverFever said:

It seems like everyone else wants to see him fail. 

I have a hunch that if he'd signed with the Yankees or Dodgers the reports in him would be at least a tad more forgiving.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Glen

[Ohtaniland]

2 hours ago, Sherlock31 said:

Who cares? Who the fxxx is Jeff Passan anyway?

East coast butthurt Yahoo writer who’s probably a Yankees fan. Come on, the kid is 23 and a gazillion miles away from home trying to adjust to a new culture and he’s only two weeks in. I think these people need to chill and let this kid get acclimated with his new team, league and surroundings. 

[UndertheHalo]

From everything I’ve read about Shohei Ohtani (a lot, like most of you guys I’m sure)  I get the sense that doubters will fuel this guy.  Let the hate flow.  Fuck you Jeff Passan. What is this now ? 3 or 4 downer articles on Ohtani in 3 months.  A guy that’s had all of like 15 spring training AB’s after hardly playing for a year.  Some hard hitting beisbol coverage. 

Edited March 10, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[tomsred]

14 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Why do you think he will start on Sunday? Is there something special about Sunday?

It's when Pearl Harbor was bombed, he's going to sink the A's.

[UndertheHalo]

And he’s had 500 minor league AB’s.  It was the NPB.  A league probably superior to AAA. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Scouts may have seen only 14 plate appearances from Ohtani but they have a catalogue of millions of swings spread over thousands of players to draw comparisons to. If they are saying what they have seen comps with players not ready for MLB major league play the butt hurt is coming from you guys. 

Ohtani looks over matched right now, two weeks into play. So do many other players that we know have MLB skills. I think the difference is the other players know where they need to be to hit at this level, Ohtani knows where he needs to be to hit in Japan. There is a gap he will need to fill in. 

Teams had 25 chances to draft Mike Trout before the Angels drafted him. Where were all the scouts at then.