Las Vegas Shooting

[RallyMo]

33 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

And mowing down upwards of 500 people in ten minutes or so.  Don't forget that.

That's not what it's for. It's for fun. This guy did not use it as intended. C'mon.

[fan_since79]

...but I suppose some or all of those cruises may have been free as he was a high roller. They comp all sorts of things for these individuals.

 

 

[Blarg]

There is nothing evil about Cruise lines other than the non stop buffets. 

[Jason]

1 hour ago, yk9001 said:

And mowing down upwards of 500 people in ten minutes or so.  Don't forget that.

That’s not why the manufacturers make them. I’m sure there are thousands out there and this is the first mass shooting with one I am aware of 

[Jason]

48 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

That's not what it's for. It's for fun. This guy did not use it as intended. C'mon.

Correct, murdering people in any fashion is against the law

[red321]

55 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

That's not what it's for. It's for fun. This guy did not use it as intended. C'mon.

unfortunately he used his weapons stockpile for one of its intended uses

[yk9001]

11 minutes ago, Jason said:

That’s not why the manufacturers make them. I’m sure there are thousands out there and this is the first mass shooting with one I am aware of 

[Blarg]

26 minutes ago, Jason said:

That’s not why the manufacturers make them. I’m sure there are thousands out there and this is the first mass shooting with one I am aware of 

So you are arguing death toll statistics. Not sure if that is appropriate in this discussion.

[RallyMo]

20 minutes ago, Jason said:

Correct, murdering people in any fashion is against the law

Dude, I'm 100% with you.

It just boggles the mind that something like these guns could have been used in the way they were used.

[Jason]

Just now, Blarg said:

So you are arguing death toll statistics. Not sure if that is appropriate in this discussion.

No and I don't think they should be allowed. Whoever the manufacturer is does not make them for military or law enforcement use so the reason for making them was not intended to be murder. 

[RallyMo]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

No and I don't think they should be allowed. 

No way. They SHOULD be allowed. They're for fun!

[Jason]

Just now, RallyMo said:

No way. They SHOULD be allowed. They're for fun!

I know you're being sarcastic but automatic weapons are illegal for a reason. The bump stock gets awfully close to the rate of fire of a real one. . 

[Blarg]

What was the devices intended usage? If it were only to expend amunition at a higher rate of speed that has no practical usage for anything that would be considered for personal defense or hunting.

I got the opportunity to use a grenade launcher attached to an old Korean War M-1. It was fun as hell and we blew up an old rusted Chevy abandoned out in a remote desert. 

You shouldn't be able to purchase these as well. 

[Kevin]

I keep on seeing things stating "murder was already illegal" or it "won't stop people from illegally using guns" on social media and elsewhere. 

And of course those things are true but it's a different category of gun violence in my personal opinion we are dealing with. As much as it sucks that gangs exist and domestic issues can lead to the guns being used (I would love to see improvement for those issues) we are talking about people who are basically going to battle with others unbeknownst to those individuals. 

What is wrong with reducing the number of rounds in a magazine? The gun is still legal. Universal background checks would be a possible helping factors as well. 

Do I believe there would  still be mass shootings? Of course. No one should be ignorant to think otherwise. I just see trying to reduce it as much as possible is the sane course to take. 

I know this sounds hyberbolic and maybe I'll get blasted for this but after 9/11 we did what we could to prevent an incident like that happening again. We reinforced cockpit doors, banned knives that had were over a certain length, etc. Airport security somewhat sucks now but the attempt was there. On that day 2,977 people died. By himself, this guy caused almost one fifth of that in total casualties. 

This event and Sandy Hook (which was worse I believe on an emotional level) don't cause any significant change, I think we have to accept this is life. It just will be. 

[nate]

Birth control: ban

Abortion: ban

Gay marriage: ban

Drugs: ban

Guns: banning things never works!

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

What was the devices intended usage? If it were only to expend amunition at a higher rate of speed that has no practical usage for anything that would be considered for personal defense or hunting.

I got the opportunity to use a grenade launcher attached to an old Korean War M-1. It was fun as hell and we blew up an old rusted Chevy abandoned out in a remote desert. 

You shouldn't be able to purchase these as well. 

Totally agree with its practice usage. That’s why I have no problem putting additional regulations on them. Even the NRA is fine with that. By the way grenade launchers are illegal

[gotbeer]

Now, if he got this, it would have been a lot worse than bump stocks.  And I didn't know they were legal.  I always thought they were illegal.

Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Tried to Buy Illuminating Tracer Rounds Before Massacre

[Brandon]

On 10/5/2017 at 12:15 AM, ten ocho recon scout said:

You mean they wrote rush hour on the burned dvd thats really jenna jameson movies?

speaking of porn and titles, the joke of the day here at the office.

we have these big ass tv's on the wall and the dude in my story here used to be a pro soccer player and wanted to put on some of the world cup qualifying games. he's scrolling to find the sports channels and it looks like on directv that the porn channels are right before the sports ones.

we literally just start busting up and someone comes over to see what the hoopla is and we are rolling because the title of a porn movie was "choke on my step brothers big black cock". it was the most direct and literal porn title we have ever seen. there is no guess work in this one.

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

Now, if he got this, it would have been a lot worse than bump stocks.  And I didn't know they were legal.  I always thought they were illegal.

Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Tried to Buy Illuminating Tracer Rounds Before Massacre

 

How would it have been worse? Tracer rounds would give his location away immediately wouldn't they? You'd clearly be able to see the line of fire coming from the upper levels of the hotel.

Maybe he wanted to use them for practice or something beforehand.

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

Apparently this guy had an endless source of funds but no discernible job. He must have made an absolute fortune in real estate and/or gambling. British press is reporting he bought the house in Mesquite and paid $369,000 in cash for it.

from CNN:

In addition to his frequent forays into casinos and gun shops, Las Vegas strip killer Stephen Paddock took 20 cruises, many of them in Europe and the Middle East, investigators have learned.

The cruises included stops at ports in Spain, Italy, Greece, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates, according to information provided by a law enforcement source who asked not to be identified because the source was not authorized to share information about the investigation. Paddock's girlfriend, Marilou Danley, accompanied him on nine of the cruises.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/vegas-shooter-paddock-foreign-cruises/index.html

 

They have to check everything, obviously. But as per usual, the media is blowing some anecdotal things way out or proportion. Its understandable, because everyone wants info, and there is little to go on.

As far as paying cash for that house in nevada, not really a big deal. That same price is, uhm, a 2 bedroom condo in the beirut sections of orange county. If i sold my place in orange county today, i coupd almost pay cash with what i made on the sale for the same place in mesquite, nevada.

As far as cruises that had ports in the middle east, again, its not weird that an older guy with money liked to travel. And if youve ever made a port call on a cruise, youd know (not you personally, people in general) that 8 hours walking along the tourist traps isnt really enough time to link up with terror group recruiters. (Not to mention an old white man with stacks of cash likely doesnt head to where those guys are...and make it out).

Cnn interviewed his "hair stylist" yesterday. Stop right there. She works at like a fsntastic sams...not a hair stylist. And she said "he was here with his wife 2 months ago, and said his wife was going to the PI, and hed be alone for a bit". And the cnn anchors were like "wow, he said that to her in front of his wife!". .... because, you know...thats what he OBVIOUSLY meant, right?

The haircut lady said he smelled like alcohol...and the cnn analysts said "of he can drink and gamble, obviously he can work under stress and pressure"...right. 

Again, i get it. They should look in to everything, and there isnt a lot of info right now. But they are getting a little absurd with what matters and what doesnt.

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

...but I suppose some or all of those cruises may have been free as he was a high roller. They comp all sorts of things for these individuals.

 

 

Meant to add that. If you travel a lot, and are part of rewards groups, you can score comped rooms and cruises all year round. Or just be on the list when they dont sell out, they offer you the cruise for dirt cheap last minute.

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

What was the devices intended usage? If it were only to expend amunition at a higher rate of speed that has no practical usage for anything that would be considered for personal defense or hunting.

I got the opportunity to use a grenade launcher attached to an old Korean War M-1. It was fun as hell and we blew up an old rusted Chevy abandoned out in a remote desert. 

You shouldn't be able to purchase these as well. 

Thats where im at. And i think jason agrees (he might be getting a bit misunderstood).

The design itself is not intended to shoot people with. The problem itself is the obvious other things you can use it for (shooting people). 

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

Now, if he got this, it would have been a lot worse than bump stocks.  And I didn't know they were legal.  I always thought they were illegal.

Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Tried to Buy Illuminating Tracer Rounds Before Massacre

Meh, this is again not as big of a deal as some think.

He didnt need tracers. Tracers are nice when you are shooting in full or close to full darkness. The crowd he was shooting into was illuminated by stadium lights for the concert. He absolutely had enough light to see basically where his rounds were hitting.

Dumbshit conspiracy nut jobs are saying "how could he do this, no training!" Not like this guy couldnt have gone to a gun range before this...not exactly a technical skill to load a rifle and shoot.

People keep making it more advanced than it is (like flying planes into 100 story buildings). Technical skill and training would have been aiming at and hitting specific people in the crowd, snd missing the rest. Emptying mags into a crowd is easy as pie. One eyeball and a trigger finger is all you need (plus a rifle).

If anything, had he actually been trained (or its a conspiracy like the nutters want to think), he would have fired in short bursts...only an amatuer would hold down the trigger like he did. You wear out the barrel, run out of ammo, and with rhe muzzle raise lose accuracy. Someone trained would have been shooting 3-5 second bursts, then re-aiming.and bracketting the crowd....shoot left, shoot right, shoot left, shoot right. This guy sounds like he was just strafing until he ran out of ammo.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

speaking of porn and titles, the joke of the day here at the office.

we have these big ass tv's on the wall and the dude in my story here used to be a pro soccer player and wanted to put on some of the world cup qualifying games. he's scrolling to find the sports channels and it looks like on directv that the porn channels are right before the sports ones.

we literally just start busting up and someone comes over to see what the hoopla is and we are rolling because the title of a porn movie was "choke on my step brothers big black cock". it was the most direct and literal porn title we have ever seen. there is no guess work in this one.

Hahaha, yeah, a friend of mine took a pic of his tv once for the same scenario.

If i ever hit the lotto, and dont need the money anymore so you just work to get out of the house, porn title creator is the absolute job im going for.

The comedian david cross was talking one time about a porn called "fuck my dirty shithole, rhe movie". And he was like "ever since the book, i always hoped theyd make it into a movie".

[ten ocho recon scout]

I rarely use facebook anymore. Once i had an instagram account, facebook got old (especially when it went from pics of your friends to your friends' opinions on everything). But opened it last night and saw all the posts about this.

Got into a few arguments (i was drunk). Mind blown the arguments some people i adore are making. The alex jones crowd and the way too overboard 2cd ammendment crowd is far, far too attached to their guns than any common sense.

They argue that its got to be a conspiracy, to take away gun rights, because no way this one guy could have done what he did. "There had to be more than one shooter!". 

The irony is there very well could have been...and it could have been far worse.in arguing laws and regulations, we shouldnt forget that.