Tropeano has UCL Tear

[Lou]

...as Bandy homers

[Oz27]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

won the division in 2014 and missed playoffs in 2015 by a single game.

Continued?

I'm going to let you in on a little secret...

Another option is to do what you can to improve your team so you can win now. You know, like getting getting players like escobar, simmons, etc. Also having other players take a step up - like Bandy, Shoemaker, etc 

We have a farm system which, before the season, was described as the worst some prospect evaluators had ever seen and was indisputably the worst in baseball. We're 10 games behind the second wild card halfway through a season and the injuries which will impact us for all of next year have only impacted us for part of this year. There is very little we can do to make this team now, we have wasted that opportunity and continuing to make mid level moves like the Escobar trade isn't going to fix it. This group is not even close to having enough talent to win the division without Heaney, Richards or Skaggs and we do not have the resources to acquire that talent through the trade market. It is also a truly awful free agent market. So your "little secret" is like the worst path we could possibly go down. We need to bring in the young talent as soon as possible to have any chance of ever winning again in the Trout area and failing to do so is a sure fire recipe for wasting the best player of this generation.

[Lou]

Bringing in young talent and trying to win now are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Oz27]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

Bringing in young talent and trying to win now are not mutually exclusive.

 

How do we bring in that young talent without sacrificing our immediate prospects? If that was realistically achievable, everyone would do it. There is a reason no teams (well at least not competent ones) view that as a realistic path forward from a position like ours.

[Oz27]

Dave Cameron summed up the situation pretty well a couple of months ago...

"If the Angels keep Mike Trout, and just keep trying to surround him with decent free agents while trying to build back up the prospect base, there’s a pretty good chance they’ll be a 75 win team for the remainder of his contract, and then they’ll have to convince him to re-sign another contract with a franchise that spent six years failing to provide him with adequate support.

Maybe Trout just loves the Angels so much that he’d do that. But wallowing around .500 for a few years for the hope that Trout eventually chooses to pass on joining teams with better rosters and more money for the right to stay with a team that wasted his prime seems like a bad bet. And if they make that bet and then he still leaves, then all they’ll have done is put off the inevitable, while squandering the ability to rebuild the franchise entirely in the meantime"

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-garrett-richards-injury-and-the-mike-trout-question/

[mulwin444]

Angels have the best player in baseball, the best defensive SS, a solid MOTO bat in Calhoun, a lead-off hitter in Escobar who can actually get on base, Cron and Pujos who both can hit for power, a solid starter in Shoemaker, a capable 3/4 starter in Santiago, a potential top of rotation starter in Skaggs, and crap load coming off the books.  The team has resources to turn it around quickly.

 

Eppler is doing his job...making them better incrementally 

[mulwin444]

There are no guarantees for Mike Trout no matter where he goes and Angels dollars spend just as good as any elses

[Troll Daddy]

5 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Angels have the best player in baseball, the best defensive SS, a solid MOTO bat in Calhoun, a lead-off hitter in Escobar who can actually get on base, Cron and Pujos who both can hit for power, a solid starter in Shoemaker, a capable 3/4 starter in Santiago, a potential top of rotation starter in Skaggs, and crap load coming off the books.  The team has resources to turn it around quickly.

 

Eppler is doing his job...making them better incrementally 

I'm starting to like you again.

[TroutField]

50 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Angels have the best player in baseball, the best defensive SS, a solid MOTO bat in Calhoun, a lead-off hitter in Escobar who can actually get on base, Cron and Pujos who both can hit for power, a solid starter in Shoemaker, a capable 3/4 starter in Santiago, a potential top of rotation starter in Skaggs, and crap load coming off the books.  The team has resources to turn it around quickly.

 

Eppler is doing his job...making them better incrementally 

Thanks for that!! A 5 game win streak and this pep talk just made the future not look so bad 

[Chuck]

52 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Angels have the best player in baseball, the best defensive SS, a solid MOTO bat in Calhoun, a lead-off hitter in Escobar who can actually get on base, Cron and Pujos who both can hit for power, a solid starter in Shoemaker, a capable 3/4 starter in Santiago, a potential top of rotation starter in Skaggs, and crap load coming off the books.  The team has resources to turn it around quickly.

 

Eppler is doing his job...making them better incrementally 

I agree, @mulwin444

[Chuck]

It's time to replace Lincecum with Skaggs and Tropeano with Nate Smith. 

Shoemaker, Skaggs, Santiago, Weaver and Smith. 

Also, Kyle McGowin is someone to watch. He has a high ERA in AAA Salt Lake, but as we know that's a tough place to pitch. Perhaps McGowin can replace one of our injured guys next season and get a cup of coffee in Sept. 

[TroutField]

17 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

It's time to replace Lincecum with Skaggs and Tropeano with Nate Smith. 

Shoemaker, Skaggs, Santiago, Weaver and Smith. 

Also, Kyle McGowin is someone to watch. He has a high ERA in AAA Salt Lake, but as we know that's a tough place to pitch. Perhaps McGowin can replace one of our injured guys next season and get a cup of coffee in Sept. 

 

I agree. Lincecum is awful, if not for Albert and his 6 Rbi we would all be screaming and crying to get him out of the rotation. 

[tomsred]

I'm not ready to give up on Lincecum quite yet.  He allowed 3 earned runs tonight, and threw some nice pitches to get himself out of some ugly jams.  He could have had better defense behind him tonight, but some of the infield play wasn't quite as sharp as they have been the past few days.  Texas can hit, they are dangerous offensively.

Let's ride this out for a few more starts.

 

[Angel Oracle]

7 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Amazing. This year is a fucking nightmare. 

The cherry on top will be not getting a protected draft pick.   Only ten games under .500 now.

Tropeano's UCL tear probably means offering Weave a one year deal for 2017?

[arch stanton]

46 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

The cherry on top will be not getting a protected draft pick.   Only ten games under .500 now.

Tropeano's UCL tear probably means offering Weave a one year deal for 2017?

Or offering one to your good friend Nibs?

[ten ocho recon scout]

8 hours ago, Kevin said:

We're getting to the point that we might need to borrow Langston from the booth.

I think based on how many pitchers were losing to blown out arms, gubi would be more appropriate

[Pujols4MVP]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

The cherry on top will be not getting a protected draft pick.   Only ten games under .500 now.

Tropeano's UCL tear probably means offering Weave a one year deal for 2017?

Yeah now they pretty much need to keep Lincecum in the rotation.

[Oz27]

4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

The cherry on top will be not getting a protected draft pick. 

That would be a pretty strong kick in the testicles. Surely not, though.

[Glen]

In 2013 everybody thought the Royals sucked and we're a few years away from contending.

Also, for the millionth time, baseball isn't football.  One high first-round pick isn't going to have an immediate impact on your team. It's usually the later rounds where you get the key players.

[ksangel]

Convert Cowart into a pitcher (didn't he have a 90mph fastball in high school?) if the Angels don't plan on using his talents at 3B?

[eligrba]

15 hours ago, ScottyA_MWAH said:

My four favorite pitchers since the heaney trade were Richards, Skaggs, Heaney and Tropeano.  And they all subsequently have torn their UCL's. 

AHA!! Must be Scotty's fault.

[zenmaster]

This list is a few days old so you can add Tropeano as #13 but someone who's good at math, what are the odds that one team has 3 out of the 13 for the year out of all the teams and arms in MLB? It has to be high and even crazier since ours are all starters and not just relievers.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tommy-john-surgeries-2016-update/

[Blarg]

8 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

The cherry on top will be not getting a protected draft pick.   Only ten games under .500 now.

Tropeano's UCL tear probably means offering Weave a one year deal for 2017?

No.

[Angel Oracle]

8 hours ago, arch stanton said:

Or offering one to your good friend Nibs?

LOL     I think I just threw up in my mouth.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Glen said:

In 2013 everybody thought the Royals sucked and we're a few years away from contending.

Also, for the millionth time, baseball isn't football.  One high first-round pick isn't going to have an immediate impact on your team. It's usually the later rounds where you get the key players.

Understood, but it doesn't hurt to have a protected 1st round pick that early on.