Syria

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

Revisiting the Obama track record on Syria’s chemical weapons

The [Syria] outcry leads us to revisit a 2014 claim from former Secretary of State John Kerry. Kerry said in a television interview that in Syria, "we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out."

Syria had agreed in 2013 to an ambitious program to destroy its chemical stockpiles under international supervision, as part of a deal brokered by Russia. When Kerry spoke in July 2014, the process seemed far along. Based on reports from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons -- which later won the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts -- we rated that claim Mostly True. There were caveats about incomplete information, but at the time, international experts said the claim largely held up.

Given recent events, we have pulled that fact-check (you can read an archived version here) because we now have many unanswered questions.

In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update.

 

We need a site to fact check the fact checkers

[RallyMo]

On 6/14/2013 at 11:19 AM, Jay said:

Suddenly we have "proof" that Assad used WMD against the rebels, so that's the trigger that forces us to become more involved?  We didn't believe strongly enough in the rebels' cause before, but now we do?  Sorry, this doesn't pass the smell test.

I agree.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Ron Paul thinks there was pretty much zero chance Assad did it. Interesting...

 

 

[Lhalo]

2 hours ago, RallyMo said:

I agree.

So do I. 

WTF happened to this country? We constantly shit on the Constitution. The President no longer requests Congress to declare war. He simply has the power to invade and bomb whatever country he sees fit without the money to pay for it. History repeating the Roman Empire.

[RallyMo]

13 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Hey look, were bombing Syria!

Jay, do you have a non-Viagra induced stiffy now?

The answer depends on if you're asking 6/14/13 Jay or 4/6/17 Jay. You're going to have to clarify.

[Thomas]

2 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

The answer depends on if you're asking 6/14/13 Jay or 4/6/17 Jay. You're going to have to clarify.

To be fair that does happen to a lot of guys judging by my spam.

[Jason]

4 hours ago, Lawrence said:

So do I. 

WTF happened to this country? We constantly shit on the Constitution. The President no longer requests Congress to declare war. He simply has the power to invade and bomb whatever country he sees fit without the money to pay for it. History repeating the Roman Empire.

It's no longer important to many politicians and their constituents

[Broad Street]

Good. Take out their airpower and institute a no fly zone. That should prevent at least some of the chemical attacks.

[Lhalo]

26 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Hey look, were bombing Syria!

Trump can go to hell. 

[InsideThePark]

 

[Lhalo]

Rand Paul getting it right again. 

 

[InsideThePark]

2 minutes ago, Lawrence said:

Rand Paul getting it right again. 

 

Yeah I got one for that, too.

 

[Blarg]

On 1/19/2017 at 5:38 PM, Lou said:

 

 

 

more than 3 years ago, folks.

well done, Nostrathomas 

Are we sure Nostrathomas isn't a Russian closely associated with Put in? 

[AngelsLakersFan]

On 10/6/2016 at 1:41 AM, ten ocho recon scout said:

I was reading some sites the other day (no idea how accurate) that the average iranian is actually kind of pro west. That they hate our govt, but "like" the people (and the constitution).

I have a friend whos persian, and a few other guys at work married a persian chick, so ive asked them. They tend to agree, and say that the mullahs and religious police go way overboard, but undercover the general public wants religion seperate from their daily life, and want capitalism. Again, not sure how much of the population feels that way.

But i read (out of the few websites i browsed) an article on the atlantic where the guy travelled throughout and said that was the absolute norm of every encounter. Everyone kept telling him they like america.

Arch, how much do you get the feeling where youre at? My experience (not iran) says different...

Would be great if some country there had a new revolution where more moderate, modern ideas became the norm. Thought maybe libya would be it but alas.

I used to play some online games and chat with a few Iranians years ago. The young people are quite western but the nation is still ruled by the hardline muslim extreme. I was not surprised when we saw near revolution a few years ago.

[Make Angels Great Again]

From what I read the 50+ missiles all hit the airfield responsible for deploying the chemical weapons.

Syrian government also reported zero casualties. This was a calculated effort.

[fan_since79]

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday that steps are "underway" to organize an "international community effort" to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, a major policy shift triggered by the latest chemical weapons attack in the country's ongoing civil war.

 

Nation building. Now that's a winning strategy!

 

 

[Jason]

20 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday that steps are "underway" to organize an "international community effort" to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, a major policy shift triggered by the latest chemical weapons attack in the country's ongoing civil war.

 

Nation building. Now that's a winning strategy!

 

 

This is why we should stay out of it. Let someone else take the blame for the next assholes that take over Syria. 

[red321]

There are no good options in Syria, it's like being asked to choose...shall I smash your left ball, or right ball, with this hammer?

What makes it even more worrisome is we have some deranged conspiracy theorist goofball deciding whether or not to lob missiles at a foreign country. The only thing consistent about his decision making is it's complete inconsistency. It's not so much the hypocrisy, but the fact is we don't know does this signal a change in position/long term strategy or did trump just want to say he blew some shit up...for all we know tomorrow he'll be touting the theory that the gas attack was a false flag operation.

[Jason]

http://ijr.com/2017/04/842343-listen-hillary-clinton-said-just-hours-trump-ordered-military-strike-syria/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Sounds like we would have had the same results if Hillary won the election. 

[Jason]

24 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Six people died and other injured. Where the fuck do you get your news?

I'm assuming he meant civilian casualties

[Taylor]

4 hours ago, Jason said:

http://ijr.com/2017/04/842343-listen-hillary-clinton-said-just-hours-trump-ordered-military-strike-syria/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Sounds like we would have had the same results if Hillary won the election. 

Cool, so Trump and Hillary are the same.

[Taylor]

3 hours ago, calscuf said:

Six people died and other injured. Where the fuck do you get your news?

1. Fw: fw: fw: fw: fw:
2. @DonaldJTrump
3. Breitbart

[Jason]

2 hours ago, Taylor said:

Cool, so Trump and Hillary are the same.

Status quo has been maintained 

[gotbeer]

been a while since we updated this thread.  So might as well continue it with this doozy.

Erdogan: we will 'strangle' U.S.-backed force in Syria "before it's even born"

[gotbeer]

And so it begins.  Our allies are bombing our allies.

Turkey Begins Ground Assault on Kurdish Enclave in Syria