So what is everyone's thoughts on Obama's plan for ISIS?

[fan_since79]

After ISIS there will be another group.  It is naive to think we have some obligation or need to stop them.  It is an exercise in futility.

 

So right.

 

The international jihad has been in place since the 7th century. These people will not stop until they have their world-wide caliphate or until we destroy each and every Muslim. And that's over a billion people.

 

Even if they could establish their caliphate over the world, they'd still be killing people in order to maintain their rule.

[floplag]

The results are on the Iraqis, not us.

 

not when you can directly trace the results to our leaving the country.  you cant just wave a wand and absolve responsibility or pretend it doesnt exist.

many people predicted this, it isnt like it just sorta popped up

this was a political decision, not a practical one, and it bit us in the ass.

[floplag]

LOL we get it Flop, 300 years from now you'd still want us in the country. Fight the terrorist over there so we don't have to fight them over here right?

 

Ive no idea where you got this aside from more ludicrous assumptions, what i said was finish the job, the rest is justm ore of the same old same old exaggerations.

Simply put, for the umpteenth time, when the time comes to leave make it because the job is done, not because its politically convenient.

[TobiasFunke]

Simply put, for the umpteenth time, when the time comes to leave make it because the job is done

And the job will NEVER be done. Hence 300+ years of occupation.

[HaloMagic]

LOL @ the constant use of "finish the job." That doesn't mean anything. It's like being at a business meeting to help promote synergy. Please elaborate.

[floplag]

And the job will NEVER be done. Hence 300+ years of occupation.

 

i love how some of you can predict the future..   please enlighten me as to how it will end in 300 years, id like to know how it all works out and im pretty sure i wont be around then so...

[Lhalo]

Welp. Here we go.

 

"The House on Wednesday approved President Obama's plan to train and equip moderate Syrian rebels to counter the growing threat of the Islamic State terrorist organization even though lawmakers in both parties remain deeply skeptical about its chances for success."

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-poised-to-approve-obamas-iraq-syria-military-strategy-amid-skepticism/2014/09/17/c2494df2-3e85-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html?hpid=z1

 

[floplag]

LOL @ the constant use of "finish the job." That doesn't mean anything. It's like being at a business meeting to help promote synergy. Please elaborate.

 

doesnt mean anything.. interesting, pretty clear use of simple words... walking away when a region isnt stable doesnt fall under the definition.

 

[floplag]

Welp. Here we go.

 

"The House on Wednesday approved President Obama's plan to train and equip moderate Syrian rebels to counter the growing threat of the Islamic State terrorist organization even though lawmakers in both parties remain deeply skeptical about its chances for success."

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-poised-to-approve-obamas-iraq-syria-military-strategy-amid-skepticism/2014/09/17/c2494df2-3e85-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html?hpid=z1

 

oh good so were now arming then ext three generations of freedom fighters to turn the weapons on us... we have seriously freaking learned nothing.

 

[mtangelsfan]

Welp. Here we go.

 

"The House on Wednesday approved President Obama's plan to train and equip moderate Syrian rebels to counter the growing threat of the Islamic State terrorist organization even though lawmakers in both parties remain deeply skeptical about its chances for success."

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-poised-to-approve-obamas-iraq-syria-military-strategy-amid-skepticism/2014/09/17/c2494df2-3e85-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html?hpid=z1

 

I swear our entire country must be stupid since we keep electing people who keep doing stupid stuff like this.  Talk about learning absolutely nothing from 150 years of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong and failing miserably almost every time.

 

So frustrating.

[TobiasFunke]

I swear our entire country must be stupid since we keep electing people who keep doing stupid stuff like this.  Talk about learning absolutely nothing from 150 years of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong and failing miserably almost every time.

 

So frustrating.

Our country IS stupid. Yesterday I heard something like 68%ish of the population approve of starting a war with IS.

[nate]

Look no further than the people that we elect to find out just how stupid our country is.

[TobiasFunke]

i love how some of you can predict the future..   please enlighten me as to how it will end in 300 years, id like to know how it all works out and im pretty sure i wont be around then so...

I threw out 300+ but it could be more. It could be slightly less. Either way since the job can never be done and you can't even expand on what defines as a job done then sticking with 300+ years sounds pretty reasonable if troops stay in the country until we "finish the job".

[TobiasFunke]

Look no further than the people that we elect to find out just how stupid our country is.

If the majority of the idiot population approves it then you almost can't blame politicians for going along with it. It's just one ugly cycle.

[TobiasFunke]

Some interesting numbers in this article.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/large-majority-americans-lack-confidence-obama-mission-destroy-isis-poll-n202976

[TobiasFunke]

"Nearly 70 percent of Americans say they lack confidence that the U.S. will achieve its goals in fighting the terrorist group ISIS"

 

"Still, 62 percent of voters say they support Obama’s decision to take action against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, while 22 percent oppose it."

 

 

 

So majority of Americans think the plan is a failure but still support the decision to take action. HOW STUPID CAN WE BE??

[mtangelsfan]

very stupid

[Adam]

Epitome if rock and a hard place...

Giving weapons to middle easterners. What could go wrong?

[floplag]

I threw out 300+ but it could be more. It could be slightly less. Either way since the job can never be done and you can't even expand on what defines as a job done then sticking with 300+ years sounds pretty reasonable if troops stay in the country until we "finish the job".

 

zero chance you know this to be fact, noone can, and it isnt the point anyway

 

what we do know, and what is the point, is that we left when it was convenient, when the region was still unstable, and this is the result

[Hollyw00d]

My thoughts are we are going to get dragged into another war by our out of control government, and ground troops are inevitable, no matter what Obama is saying right now.

And arming the Syrian "rebels" aka al Qaeda? Pfft.

[TobiasFunke]

My thoughts are we are going to get dragged into another war by our out of control government, and ground troops are inevitable, no matter what Obama is saying right now.

And arming the Syrian "rebels" aka al Qaeda? Pfft.

 

So you're saying it's a flawless plan?

[nate]

If the majority of the idiot population approves it then you almost can't blame politicians for going along with it. It's just one ugly cycle.

 

It is definitely the voters.  The politicians are deceptive but more than anything they just dangle shiny things in front of the voters and they vote.

[Hollyw00d]

I'd also like to put in a formal request for a fixing of the thread title. Someone's verb conjugations need a little work

[Tank]

I'd also like to put in a formal request for a fixing of the thread title. Someone's verb conjugations need a little work

 

So what be everyone's thoughts?

 

i like it.

[Jay]

Australian militants ‘planned to behead random person’

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/australian-militants-planned-to-behead-random-person-1.1933323

 

Over 800 police involved in pre-dawn raids, described as largest in Australian history

 

More than 800 police were involved in the pre-dawn security operation in Sydney and Brisbane, which was described as the largest in Australian history and resulted in the detention of 15 people, police said.

 

Mr Abbott told a news conference members of the radical group had planned to conduct a public beheading. “That’s the intelligence we received,” he said.

 

Media reported that the plans included snatching a person at random in Sydney, Australia’s largest city, and executing them on camera draped in the group’s black flag.

 

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What's ISIL's beef with Australia?  Is Australia occupying holy territory or something?  Or is it just that Australia is a western country who doesn't recognize the Caliphate?