Scott Downs DFA

[Inside Pitch]

I doubt Downs would accept a minor league deal at this point.

 

if youre a MLB RP you know a minor league deal with the Angels means probable return to MLB.   

[Homebrewer]

if youre a MLB RP you know a minor league deal with the Angels means probable return to MLB.   

Good Point.

[Erstad Grit]

There ate many reasons why a good pitcher can pitch poorly. Skill regression is just one of them. What's the downside?

 

My point was lefty specialist's numbers tend to be inflated in the good way. A pitcher can come in and give up a hit and a walk allowing two inherited runners to score. They take him out and his era is still 0. 

[nate]

It wastes a spot on the 40 man roster.

 

Minor league deals do not impact the 40 man roster.

[tennischmp]

My point was lefty specialist's numbers tend to be inflated in the good way. A pitcher can come in and give up a hit and a walk allowing two inherited runners to score. They take him out and his era is still 0. 

Or they can come in, get 2 outs, allow a hit and get taken out only for the next pitcher to allow their runner to score. It goes both ways. That's why ERA isn't a good predictor for relief pitchers.

[Homebrewer]

Or they can come in, get 2 outs, allow a hit and get taken out only for the next pitcher to allow their runner to score. It goes both ways. That's why ERA isn't a good predictor for relief pitchers.

Case in point: Frieri's ERA is only 6.36 which seems really low.

[Hubs]

He's been horrible for Chicago. But why? A minor league deal makes sense.

[AngelsLakersFan]

There ate many reasons why a good pitcher can pitch poorly. Skill regression is just one of them. What's the downside?

 

Downside is, if we pick him up, he'll pitch for us...

[nando714]

It wastes a spot on the 40 man roster.

Aren't there only 36 currently on the 40 man? If I'm not mistaken. I thought someone said that after RI was released

[Slegnaac]

It wastes a spot on the 40 man roster.

THIS

[stormngt]

You mean one of the four openings right now? Or OMG we may have to lose Carpenter

It wastes a spot on the 40 man roster.

[Blarg]

He is 38. It's over.

[xboom28x]

I'm guessing those asking for Downs on a minor league deal also thought Ibanez would hit 20 HRs for us this season

[2002_halos_II]

Couldn't hurt.

[nando714]

He is 38. It's over.

Referring to Pujols?

[Inside Pitch]

I'm guessing those asking for Downs on a minor league deal also thought Ibanez would hit 20 HRs for us this season

 

 

 

I don't know who actually thought that so your comment doesn't really phase me but It's really easy to try to connect two things as if they are mutually bad ideas...  I could just as easily make similar comments to try to paint those thinking it's a bad move in a similar poor light.

 

LHBs have gone .224/.309/.369 Vs Downs.    That's better than Joe Smith, Mike Morin, Kevin Jepsen, Ernesto Frieri, Cory Rasmus or any reliever currently on the active roster have managed to do.. Currently only the amazing Fernando Salas has outperformed Downs when facing LHBs.  It's not really beyond the realm of possibility that being used exclusively as a LOOGY, he might actually improve on those numbers.

 

People talk about how the A's are great at finding cast offs and turning them into useful players...   Scott Downs is having a miserable year and yet he retains a skill set that has some value.  This is one of those times where the Angels could pick up a scrub and so long as he were used properly they might be able to get some mileage out of him.

 

But hey, whatever.  Just trade away guys for RPs with good ERAs.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[Homebrewer]

I don't know who actually thought that so your comment doesn't really phase me but It's really easy to try to connect two things as if they are mutually bad ideas...  I could just as easily make similar comments to try to paint those thinking it's a bad move in a similar poor light.

 

LHBs have gone .224/.309/.369 Vs Downs.    That's better than Joe Smith, Mike Morin, Kevin Jepsen, Ernesto Frieri, Cory Rasmus or any reliever currently on the active roster have managed to do.. Currently only the amazing Fernando Salas has outperformed Downs when facing LHBs.  It's not really beyond the realm of possibility that being used exclusively as a LOOGY, he might actually improve on those numbers.

 

People talk about how the A's are great at finding cast offs and turning them into useful players...   Scott Downs is having a miserable year and yet he retains a skill set that has some value.  This is one of those times where the Angels could pick up a scrub and so long as he were used properly they might be able to get some mileage out of him.

 

But hey, whatever.  Just trade away guys for RPs with good ERAs.

The proper use thing has been a problem, maybe THE problem.

[Inside Pitch]

The proper use thing has been a problem, maybe THE problem.

 

Well, if the numbers I posted mean anything, it's hard to argue he's had the right tools to actually use to some degree..    You don't really think Jepsen, Rasmus and company are good relievers being used wrong do you?  You can pin Frieri on Scioscia but it's been a revolving door of bad most of the year.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[nate]

Ibanez signed a 1 year 5 million MLB contract

 

There is no harm in a minor league contract.  If he pitches well in the minors he is a depth option.  If he doesn't then he never gets added to the 40 man.

[Homebrewer]

Well, if the numbers I posted mean anything, it's hard to argue he's had the right tools to actually use to some degree..    You don't really think Jepsen, Rasmus and company are good relievers being used wrong do you?  You can pin Frieri on Scioscia but it's been a revolving door of bad most of the year.

I thought Jepsen should be dealt before the season, or DFA'd if there were no takers.

13 years in this org, and really nothing from him in all that time? SOMEBODY loves the guy. Could it be Sosh and Butchy?

Rasmus? I have no idea what that guy is doing up here? Does anyone?

SOMEBODY thinks he belongs in the majors...again...I have to think they ask Butcher who should come up from the minors...

I don't know who... but someone likes these guys.

Jepsen is obviously a Scioscia's boy. Rasmus, who knows.

[arch stanton]

Having someone who can handle a lefty or 2 would make all the righties in the pen look better.

 

Jepsen is .128/.268/.191 vs RHB. Get a real LOOGY and they can do wonders as a tandem for inherited runners and 7th inning.

Edited June 27, 2014 by arch stanton

[ukyah]

maybe someone should show jepsen a pitch to use against lefties. i know, it's a pretty ground breaking idea. calm your tits.

[tomsred]

I thought Jepsen should be dealt before the season, or DFA'd if there were no takers.

13 years in this org, and really nothing from him in all that time? SOMEBODY loves the guy. Could it be Sosh and Butchy?

Rasmus? I have no idea what that guy is doing up here? Does anyone?

SOMEBODY thinks he belongs in the majors...again...I have to think they ask Butcher who should come up from the minors...

I don't know who... but someone likes these guys.

Jepsen is obviously a Scioscia's boy. Rasmus, who knows.

 

HB, to say that Jepsen has done nothing in 13 years in the organization is just not factual.  He has had periods where he has shown good results and considerable promise.  the issue has been the lack of consistent performance.  Do you really think that Butcher plans who comes up from the minors?  That's not factual either.  That's kind of an insult to Dipoto and his staff, that's their job.  They may get input from the coaching staff, but Butcher doesn't control those moves.  Rasmus is a developing player, he looked fine tonight, and I've seen him pitch very respectably at times last year and this.  He doesn't have the major league experience that some of the others have at this point, but he's probably better at this moment than most of the pitchers who are struggling in the minors for us.  You keep insinuating that the coaching staff, particularly Scioscia and Butcher select players by who they "like", I think you are insulting their integrity in this process.  Second guess the coaching staff's decisions all you want, but to insinuate that they don't have a high degree of integrity is silly.  In all the years Scioscia and Butcher have been here I don't recall any incident where it was factually shown that they lacked integrity.  They may not always make the correct decision, or the decision you feel they should make, but they don't lack integrity in my book.  

Edited June 27, 2014 by tomsred

[xboom28x]

Another thread where HB trashes Jepsen. He's on record pace

[Inside Pitch]

I thought Jepsen should be dealt before the season, or DFA'd if there were no takers.

13 years in this org, and really nothing from him in all that time? SOMEBODY loves the guy. Could it be Sosh and Butchy?

Rasmus? I have no idea what that guy is doing up here? Does anyone?

SOMEBODY thinks he belongs in the majors...again...I have to think they ask Butcher who should come up from the minors...

I don't know who... but someone likes these guys.

Jepsen is obviously a Scioscia's boy. Rasmus, who knows.

 

So, you rail against Scioscia and Butcher but seem to believe that neither pitcher is worth having around.  The GM traded for one of those guys and offered arbitration to the other.   Those are the tools he's given the team to work with, along with Josh Wall, Yoslan Herrera, Maronde, etc etc.  Your vitriol seems a tad misplaced.  And once again, all of those guys have performed worse Vs LHB than Scott freaking Downs this year.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Inside Pitch