LA Times: Angels unlikely to make Jason Vargas a qualifying offer; to pursue pitching via trade

[Hoops McCann]

I think Angel Oracle hit it on the head.  I dont understand the move, even if it was just a one-year stop gap, or even to get the pick.  Nothing was gained by not giving him the QO.

[Docwaukee]

I'd be shocked if they were in on Tanaka now. He is going to cost A LOT and here we see the Angels penny pinching with Jason Vargas. 

We are down to two good pitchers in the rotation, and I'd be quite surprised to see Vargas back here on any deal significantly under the $14 mill AAV. I'd say he gets around $35mil from someone.

we were all puzzled by the team not bringing Torii back or offering him a qualifier claiming poverty in the process.  Then they go out and spend big money on Hamilton.  Look how well that turned out. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

^agreed. If we had spent the money on torii instead, its not a stretch to assume cj wilson would not have gotten the same head and shoulders commercial money.

I think its only fair that we assume how much he (cj)made from it, and to use that against the money we spent on hamilton for further topics.

It was actually an investment.

In a way.

Edited November 5, 2013 by ten ocho recon scout

[Docwaukee]

Arte also has to make a boatload from those Dos Equis commercials. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

He doesn't always spend a bunch of money in the off season.

But when he does, he prefers dos oldies.

[Angel Oracle]

He doesn't always spend a bunch of money in the off season.

But when he does, he prefers dos oldies.

Stay old and declining, my friends.

[SoWhat]

@Alden_Gonzalez: Dipoto on Vargas: "We’ll maintain a rhetoric w/ him & do have interest in him returning. I think it’s a mutual interest.” #Angels #HotStove

[Brent Maguire]

@Alden_Gonzalez: Dipoto on Vargas: "We’ll maintain a rhetoric w/ him & do have interest in him returning. I think it’s a mutual interest.” #Angels #HotStove

I love the generic answers guys give during this time.

[Stradling]

My thoughts all along is we will resign him because he wants to be here, but it won't be for $14 million. Probably be 3 years and $30 million or close to that.

[bloodbrother]

I don't think a team would have signed him if the Halos tagged him with a QO tbh. Vargas is a solid arm but there's a ton out there who are comparable who didn't even get QO themselves.

[Troll Daddy]

Lot of commotion around here over a sandwich pick in the draft.

I think the Angels played it right. If you attach a 1st round draft pick to Vargas ... He just might accept the QO. Which might change the course of their off season plans.

They can still sign him to a mufti year deal and this thread will go to the way side

Keep the faith! .

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

@Alden_Gonzalez: Vargas is a FA in a thin market. A look at his situation & why #Angels' pursuit could come down to 3rd year: http://t.co/rHrU6KyA4w

[ettin]

Oh, make no mistake. It's not revenge he's after. It's a reckoning

 

Blanton to Dipoto: "I'll be your Quisenberry!"

 

[VariousCrap]

The Angels should have no problem offering Vargas a 3rd year.

[Angel Oracle]

Blanton to Dipoto: "I'll be your Quisenberry!"

 

Anything to avoid starting him any more, maybe he does translate much better to the pen.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

The Angels should have no problem offering Vargas a 3rd year.

This was taken from the article that Alden Gonzalez posted today. 

 

MLBTradeRumors.com predicted a three-year, $28.5 million contract for Vargas. But the Angels are hesitant to go a third year and at this point don't seem willing to approach an average annual value of $10 million with the 30-year-old left-hander, considering he projects as a fourth starter in their rotation.

 

Vargas will no doubt hold out for something better. But keep in mind that just last season, only five starting pitchers -- Zack Greinke, Anibal Sanchez, Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse and Jeremy Guthrie -- garnered deals longer that two years. And while Vargas has been a steady mid-rotation starter over the last four seasons, he isn't considered among the top handful of available arms despite a thin free-agent class.

 

The Angels didn't tender Vargas the one-year, $14.1 million qualifying offer because there was little doubt in their mind that he would accept it, and they'd be too close to the luxury-tax threshold if he did.

Edited November 6, 2013 by AngelsAndRamsFan

[ten ocho recon scout]

Blanton to Dipoto: "I'll be your Quisenberry!"

is there a way to add this to the post of the year poll?

'Its over. I'm leaving.'-Blanton

'Well....bye'-Angelswin

[VariousCrap]

This was taken from the article that Alden Gonzalez posted today. 

 

MLBTradeRumors.com predicted a three-year, $28.5 million contract for Vargas. But the Angels are hesitant to go a third year and at this point don't seem willing to approach an average annual value of $10 million with the 30-year-old left-hander, considering he projects as a fourth starter in their rotation.

 

Vargas will no doubt hold out for something better. But keep in mind that just last season, only five starting pitchers -- Zack Greinke, Anibal Sanchez, Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse and Jeremy Guthrie -- garnered deals longer that two years. And while Vargas has been a steady mid-rotation starter over the last four seasons, he isn't considered among the top handful of available arms despite a thin free-agent class.

 

The Angels didn't tender Vargas the one-year, $14.1 million qualifying offer because there was little doubt in their mind that he would accept it, and they'd be too close to the luxury-tax threshold if he did.

 

 

 

 

You can't compare the offseasons.  Last offseason was a buyers market for pitching.  Not this offseason. 

 

Give Vargas three years.  He is worth it.

[Ohtaniland]

Give Vargas a three year deal or the "Morales for Vargas" trade looks like another Dipoto fail.

[jshep]

Give Vargas a three year deal or the "Morales for Vargas" trade looks like another Dipoto fail.

 

lol this logic.

Edited November 6, 2013 by jshep

[Scott34]

Give Madson a 5 year extension or the "Madson signing" looks like another Dipoto fail.

[Ohtaniland]

Give Madson a 5 year extension or the "Madson signing" looks like another Dipoto fail.

 

No, that "Madson signing" already made the Dipoto fail list.

[Scott34]

No, that "Madson signing" already made the Dipoto fail list.

Good point.

[Jimmag]

I sure hope we can reach a deal with Vargas.

 

Jer...

 

 

[Ohtaniland]

lol this logic.

 

I hated trading Morales. I know we needed pitching but if we don't re-sign Vargas he kinda looks like a 1-year rental.