Angels sign Phil Nevin to a one year deal

[Hubs]

3 minutes ago, mmc said:

It doesn't matter how long Nevin is signed for, there'd be instability regarding the manager regardless.  We have no clue who our new ownership will want to manage the team.

Nah, if they had signed a good manager to a three or five year deal, there would be stability.

Like Bochy or (gasp) Scioscia.

 

[CanadianHalo]

For future reference 

Next season when someone makes another thread asking when they knew the season was over…

Today.

Extending Nevin says they’re punting on next year and not expecting a sale to go through any time soon. 

[angelsnationtalk]

Let the Gap Year begin. 

Arte really is about to screw this team over one more time before he dips out. 

[Inside Pitch]

9 minutes ago, Hubs said:

It's not just that it's Nevin, I think he sucks but whatever. It's the one year deal, that coincides perfectly with Ohtani's free agency. There is no stability. A new owner, ok, you can deal with that. But now the team is in limbo.

Guess what.  Nevin and Minasian get a full year without any Maddon influence to prove they can:

A - Win
B - Deserve to stick around for whoever ends up buying the team 
C - Show Ohtani there is a reason to stick around because right now there isn't any.  Maybe  I'm the one thats clueless but I don't believe any "name brand" manager signed to a three year deal was going to make him think otherwise.. 

Pretending the team isn't up for sale and that there is potential for wide spread upheaval is silly.

[halonatic13]

2 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

For future reference 

Next season when someone makes another thread asking when they knew the season was over…

Today.

Extending Nevin says they’re punting on next year and not expecting a sale to go through any time soon. 

Please SAVE this post so we can re-post it when it's completely absurdely wrong.

[AngelsFaninGA]

3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Let the Gap Year begin. 

Arte really is about to screw this team over one more time before he dips out. 

A gap year sounds fun. Let's all go backpacking in Europe while Arte pays for it

[mmc]

What's more important than anything is whether or not this was what Minasian wanted to do.  The most important thing we need, moreso than whatever a "big name" manager can provide on paper, is for the coaching staff and the front office to be on the same page

[Swordsman78]

21 minutes ago, Hubs said:

This move cost us Ohtani. 

This will go down as the dumbest decision in recent Angels history.

Minus 1 on your relevant take / post count %.

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

Please SAVE this post so we can re-post it when it's completely absurdely wrong.

Meh -- it has all the potential to be wrong and right.  When push comes to shove it's going to come down to what they do this offseason.  Can't blame people for expecting the worst after the last decade of Arte always pulling up short.

[bloodbrother]

9 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

My guess is they'll either keep costs the same or even look to cut some costs (operationally or by offloading a contract or two). New ownership usually has a very specific way they want to do things so unless the deal is in the final stages during free agency and the new ownership group is directing Perry on moves, I don't expect much. 

Same. Any improvement with the team next year will have to come from within with young players taking another leap + health/production from Trout/Ohtani/Rendon.

[TooCool]

Another losing season coming right up.

They seriously couldn't just spend the off-season to look for another manager? Fucking organization...

[Hubs]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Guess what.  Nevin and Minasian get a full year without any Maddon influence to prove they can:

A - Win
B - Deserve to stick around for whoever ends up buying the team 
C - Show Ohtani there is a reason to stick around because right now there isn't any.  Maybe  I'm the one thats clueless but I don't believe any "name brand" manager signed to a three year deal was going to make him think otherwise.. 

Pretending the team isn't up for sale and that there is potential for wide spread upheaval is silly.

Oh I agree with A and B. I just don't have faith that the guy knows what he's doing. And again, if he somehow manages to do a good job and somehow takes the team deep into the playoffs.... he'll be a free agent and if another team offers him a job, what's stopping him from jumping ship on the Angels?

A three year deal with Nevin wouldn't have cost much and it shows they are committed. It would've been better than a 1 year gap deal, even if I think he's a terrible manager, at least it shows stability and faith that Nevin is the guy. This is a faithless crap move.

They. should've explored the options in the offseason at least.

 

[Angel Oracle]

23 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

I don't see it that way at all. What will cost us Ohtani is continuing to lose.

Exactly, if they make a couple of strategic trades and 2-3 one year signings, and the team actually has solid health for the first time in several years, they may be able to win around 85 games.    

That, the improving farm, and new and hopefully more willing to spend on non-superstar players and infrastructure ownership might be all it takes to re-sign Ohtani to something like an 8 year/$360-$400 million contract?

I will say this.   Nevin will have led them to an over .500 record the last 57 games of the season, without a healthy Walsh and Rendon and a spotty bullpen.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Hubs]

3 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Minus 1 on your relevant take / post count %.

OH GTFO. Your posts suck in my opinion. +1 for dickish troll behavior.

[jsnpritchett]

7 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

My guess is they'll either keep costs the same or even look to cut some costs (operationally or by offloading a contract or two). New ownership usually has a very specific way they want to do things so unless the deal is in the final stages during free agency and the new ownership group is directing Perry on moves, I don't expect much. 

There aren't many contracts that they can offload, though.  No one is taking Rendon's contract and Trout obviously isn't going anywhere.  The only other contracts that extend beyond 2023 are Stassi and Fletcher--and I can't imagine anyone really wanting Stassi for $14.5M over the next two years.  Fletcher's contract is manageable, but again my guess is that his trade value is negligible right now. 

Loup is owed another $9.5M ($7.5M for '23 + a $2M buyout or $7.5M in '24) and Tepera is owed $7M for '23.  MAYBE you could find takers for one/both of them, with someone gambling on both of them regaining form in '23--but at this point, given all the holes in the bullpen as it is, it probably makes more sense for the Angels to just keep both of them and pray for the best.

If Loup and Tepera do get dumped for minimal returns, then I think that'll be a big signal that the Angels are going really lean on the payroll next year.

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, Hubs said:

They. should've explored the options in the offseason at least.

Maybe ownership is trying to lock everything down so that it's clear what is being sold. To me this should be a hopeful sign that a sale is imminent.

[Hubs]

7 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Minus 1 on your relevant take / post count %.

And for the record, if you just disagreed with me, we could have a discussion, but you constantly insult my intelligence, and that's what ticks me off. I've been posting here for 19 seasons, and you've been here for one. You do this to others too, which is why you're a troll and deserve to be banned. 

[mmc]

I'm sure they asked for Ohtani's input on this as well

[Hubs]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Maybe ownership is trying to lock everything down so that it's clear what is being sold. To me this should be a hopeful sign that a sale is imminent.

Hopefully.

 

[DMVol]

31 minutes ago, Hubs said:

If you're Ohtani and a young manager has a good rookie season and leads the team to the playoffs in 2023, you might stay because there is upside.

Now you have uncertainty and a new owner, possibly a new GM and likely a new manager again, cuz Phil is terrible and moreover, he's not signed into 2024, so even in the unlikely even that he's good, he could also bolt for another better paying job.

 

So what happens if we are healthier year next year, the young pitchers continue to develop and we make the playoffs?

[mmc]

 

[Jay]

1 minute ago, DMVol said:

So what happens if we are healthier year next year, the young pitchers continue to develop and we make the playoffs?

Then firing Nevin will cause Ohtani to leave.

[mmc]

 

[mmc]

 

[jsnpritchett]

I'm genuinely surprised that anyone thought that this WOULDN'T be what happened.  It makes zero sense from either the Angels' side or a potential new manager's perspective to bring in someone new until the ownership situation is resolved.